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View Poll Results: Which is a full blown legacy American city?
Portland 2 2.53%
Houston 8 10.13%
San Diego 2 2.53%
Dallas 7 8.86%
Seattle 24 30.38%
Atlanta 32 40.51%
Denver 4 5.06%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-09-2022, 04:43 PM
 
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But LA wasn’t a major city in 1910. It became one overnight, but post-1910. So the two questions are legacy city, and major city. In my mind, legacy cities are industrialized cities from 1860-1920. Major cities in my mind are usually top 15 or so cities. So Seattle would probably be closest to fitting my definition, but I’m unsure I’d call it such.
1910 Los Angeles:

-320,000 population
-national oil business leader
-stock exchange
-high rise boom similar to today's skyscraper boom

Not a lock but there is a case.
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Old 01-09-2022, 06:26 PM
 
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according to this site here are the largest metro areas in the US over time (note prior to 1950 metro areas were not recorded so it's not as accurate)

Portland
Never made the top 20 metros

Houston
1940: 19th | 471,000
1950: 18th | 701,000
1960: 17th | 1,140,000
1970: 15th | 1,678,000
1980: 9th | 2,757,000
1990: 11th | 3,088,000
2000: 8th | 4,063,000
2010: 8th | 5,382,000
2020: 5th | 7,122,240

San Diego
1970: 19th | 1,198,000
1980: 17th | 1,704,000
1990: 13th | 2,348,000
2000: 15th | 2,674,000
2010: 15th | 2,985,000
2020: 17th | 3,298,634

Dallas
1950: 15th | 855,000
1960: 12th | 1,435,000
1970: 11th | 2,016,000
1980: 10th | 2,713,000
1990: 10th | 3,265,000
2000: 7th | 4,445,000
2010: 6th | 5,685,000
2020: 4th | 7,637,387

Seattle
1920: 19th | 334,000
1930: 19th | 390,000
1940: 20th | 451,000
1970: 18th | 1,238,00
1980: 20th | 1,392,000
1990: 12th | 2,354,000
2000: 13th | 3,018,000
2010: 14th | 3,446,000
2020: 15th | 4,018,762

Atlanta
1970: 20th | 1,172,000
1980: 18th | 1,613,000
1990: 14th | 2,158,000
2000: 12th | 3,500,000
2010: 9th | 4,743,000
2020: 9th | 6,089,815

Denver
2000: 18th | 2,231,000
2010: 16th | 2,716,000
2020: 19th | 2,963,821

So based on the data above it looks like Seattle has been a major city the longest of the group.

Also here are the years when the cities reached 100,000

Portland: 1910: 207,214
Houston: 1920: 138,276
San Diego: 1930: 147,995
Dallas: 1920: 158,976
Seattle: 1910: 237,194
Atlanta: 1910: 154,839
Denver: 1890: 106,713

And here are the years when the cities reached 200,000

Portland: 1910: 207,214
Houston: 1930: 292,352
San Diego: 1940: 203,341
Dallas: 1930: 269,475
Seattle: 1910: 237,194
Atlanta: 1920: 200,616
Denver: 1910: 213,381

And here are the years when the cities reached 400,000

Portland: 1990: 437,319
Houston: 1950: 596,163
San Diego: 1960: 573,224
Dallas: 1950: 434,462
Seattle: 1950: 467,591
Atlanta: 1960: 487,455
Denver: 1950: 415,765

Based on the above city populations, Portland, Seattle and Denver had the longest histories of being sizeable cities. But of those 3 which have the most intact historic districts I'm not sure, perhaps Portland?
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Old 01-09-2022, 06:36 PM
 
Location: La Jolla
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according to this site here are the largest metro areas in the US over time (note prior to 1950 metro areas were not recorded so it's not as accurate)

Portland
Never made the top 20 metros

Houston
1940: 19th | 471,000
1950: 18th | 701,000
1960: 17th | 1,140,000
1970: 15th | 1,678,000
1980: 9th | 2,757,000
1990: 11th | 3,088,000
2000: 8th | 4,063,000
2010: 8th | 5,382,000
2020: 5th | 7,122,240

San Diego
1970: 19th | 1,198,000
1980: 17th | 1,704,000
1990: 13th | 2,348,000
2000: 15th | 2,674,000
2010: 15th | 2,985,000
2020: 17th | 3,298,634

Dallas
1950: 15th | 855,000
1960: 12th | 1,435,000
1970: 11th | 2,016,000
1980: 10th | 2,713,000
1990: 10th | 3,265,000
2000: 7th | 4,445,000
2010: 6th | 5,685,000
2020: 4th | 7,637,387

Seattle
1920: 19th | 334,000
1930: 19th | 390,000
1940: 20th | 451,000
1970: 18th | 1,238,00
1980: 20th | 1,392,000
1990: 12th | 2,354,000
2000: 13th | 3,018,000
2010: 14th | 3,446,000
2020: 15th | 4,018,762

Atlanta
1970: 20th | 1,172,000
1980: 18th | 1,613,000
1990: 14th | 2,158,000
2000: 12th | 3,500,000
2010: 9th | 4,743,000
2020: 9th | 6,089,815

Denver
2000: 18th | 2,231,000
2010: 16th | 2,716,000
2020: 19th | 2,963,821

So based on the data above it looks like Seattle has been a major city the longest of the group.

Also here are the years when the cities reached 100,000

Portland: 1910: 207,214
Houston: 1920: 138,276
San Diego: 1930: 147,995
Dallas: 1920: 158,976
Seattle: 1910: 237,194
Atlanta: 1910: 154,839
Denver: 1890: 106,713

And here are the years when the cities reached 200,000

Portland: 1910: 207,214
Houston: 1930: 292,352
San Diego: 1940: 203,341
Dallas: 1930: 269,475
Seattle: 1910: 237,194
Atlanta: 1920: 200,616
Denver: 1910: 213,381

And here are the years when the cities reached 400,000

Portland: 1990: 437,319
Houston: 1950: 596,163
San Diego: 1960: 573,224
Dallas: 1950: 434,462
Seattle: 1950: 467,591
Atlanta: 1960: 487,455
Denver: 1950: 415,765

Based on the above city populations, Portland, Seattle and Denver had the longest histories of being sizeable cities. But of those 3 which have the most intact historic districts I'm not sure, perhaps Portland?
Good data.



Portland has a much stronger case than Atlanta.

Significant turn of in the century population boom.

Established as a port city prior to 1900.

Don't have a time machine but I'll bet Portland was considered more important than Atlanta from 1900-1940.
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Old 01-09-2022, 07:49 PM
 
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1910 Los Angeles:

-320,000 population
-national oil business leader
-stock exchange
-high rise boom similar to today's skyscraper boom

Not a lock but there is a case.
It was the 17th largest city in the country, so probably a questionable major. But it was also 33% and 50% bigger than Seattle and Denver at that time. By 1920, LA was 82% and 125% bigger respectively. LA muscled it’s way into a major legacy city, in my mind, right under the wire. I don’t think Seattle or Denver (or any of the others) did. They were sizable cities, but not necessarily hitting their stride until the following decades as many legacy cities began faltering. The cities here were, at best, in the Rochester and Toledo tier during the heyday of industrialization. The legacy major cities were much bigger.

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Old 01-09-2022, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Here are the timelines for tallest buildings in each city

First building to pass 100ft

Portland: The Oregonian Building: 1892: 194ft
Houston: Franklin Lofts: 1904: 105ft
San Diego: El Cortez: 1927: 310ft
Dallas: Praetorian Building: 1909: 184ft
Seattle: Pioneer Building: 1892: 110ft
Atlanta: Equitable Building: 1892: 117ft
Denver: Equitable Building: 1892: 148ft

First building to pass 200ft

Portland: American Bank Building: 1913: 207ft
Houston: Carter Building: 1910 302ft
San Diego: El Cortez: 1927: 310ft
Dallas: Adolphus Hotel: 1912: 312ft
Seattle: Alaska Building: 1904: 203ft
Atlanta: Rhodes-Haverty Building: 1929: 246ft
Denver: Daniel and Fisher Tower: 1910: 371 ft

First building to pass 400ft

Portland: Weslls Fargo Center: 1972: 546 ft
Houston: Esperson Building: 1927: 410ft
San Diego: Symphony Towers: 1989: 499ft
Dallas: Mercantile National Bank Building: 1943: 523 ft
Seattle: Smith Tower: 1914: 489ft
Atlanta: One Park Tower: 1961: 439ft
Denver: Brooks Tower: 1968: 420ft

Based on this it looks like Seattle had the earliest skyscraper boom, would be interesting which city had the most skyscrapers prior to WWII.
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Old 01-09-2022, 08:53 PM
 
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It was the 17th largest city in the country, so probably a questionable major. But it was also 33% and 50% bigger than Seattle and Denver at that time. By 1920, LA was 82% and 125% bigger respectively. LA muscled it’s way into a major legacy city, in my mind, right under the wire. I don’t think Seattle or Denver (or any of the others) did. They were sizable cities, but not necessarily hitting their stride until the following decades as many legacy cities began faltering. The cities here were, at best, in the Rochester and Toledo tier during the heyday of industrialization. The legacy major cities were much bigger.
Presumably the PNW was much harder to develop at the time Seattle and Portland crossed 100,000 population than
Ohio or NY. Just getting there was probably an ordeal
I think that gives them extra weight.
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Old 01-09-2022, 08:57 PM
 
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Presumably the PNW was much harder to develop at the time Seattle and Portland crossed 100,000 population than
Ohio or NY. Just getting there was probably an ordeal
I think that gives them extra weight.
Is El Paso closer towards being a major city because it’s in the middle of a desert? Major city status isn’t graded on a curve.
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Old 01-09-2022, 09:22 PM
 
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Based on the above city populations, Portland, Seattle and Denver had the longest histories of being sizeable cities. But of those 3 which have the most intact historic districts I'm not sure, perhaps Portland?
Thanks for the data!

I can't speak on Denver, but regarding the other two cities, Portland seems more historically intact than Seattle. I can't find exact numbers, but Portland has more buildings & structures listed in the National Register of Historic Places than Seattle.
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Old 01-09-2022, 09:39 PM
 
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Is El Paso closer towards being a major city because it’s in the middle of a desert? Major city status isn’t graded on a curve.
Was El Paso a regional capital with the tallest building outside of NYC by 1914?
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