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Old 01-16-2022, 08:48 AM
 
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If you are looking at:

-Food sustainability
-Energy Production
-Economy
-Infrastructure
-Geography

I would go with California, Texas, Washington, New York, and Pennsylvania as my top 5.

I think pound for pound Washington is the leader here. They have a surplus of energy production and are a large exporter of food, particularly Fruits, Veggies, Grains, Cattle and Seafood. Economically the have large service and manufacturing based companies that have global reach. The state has multiple large ports and already has great ties with east Asian nations like China and Japan as trade partners. Infrastructure is decent but has been improving over the years. I would imagine with tax dollars being kept in the state that would be a huge point of emphasis. Geographically they are a decent size and have good natural defense advantages. They already have strong political and economic ties to Canada, China, Japan, and Korea.

Of course all of this is unlikely. If this were to somehow happen, I imagine Oregon would merge with Washington. They would have huge capabilities in energy and food production.
Not sure why Illinois is excluded from these. Huge amount of Fortune 500 companies, law and medicine in Chicago, agriculture, transportation rail hub and airport hub, and currently an administration getting it together. It has alot more going on than Washington, sorry.
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Old 01-16-2022, 11:33 AM
 
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Not sure why Illinois is excluded from these. Huge amount of Fortune 500 companies, law and medicine in Chicago, agriculture, transportation rail hub and airport hub, and currently an administration getting it together. It has alot more going on than Washington, sorry.
Illinois is landlocked which would put it at a massive disadvantage compared to state-countries with direct access to the sea.
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Old 01-16-2022, 12:17 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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How does Andorra protect itself from Spain? Or Luxembourg from Germany? Or Monaco from France?
Probably because of deals between the major powers.
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Old 01-16-2022, 01:01 PM
 
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Not sure why Illinois is excluded from these. Huge amount of Fortune 500 companies, law and medicine in Chicago, agriculture, transportation rail hub and airport hub, and currently an administration getting it together. It has alot more going on than Washington, sorry.

It would rely on being a logistics and finance hub for a country it's no longer in. I'm not sure that's very tenable though at least the logistics would need to continue for a while. Agriculture is a good point.
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Old 01-16-2022, 02:22 PM
 
Location: PNW
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Not sure why Illinois is excluded from these. Huge amount of Fortune 500 companies, law and medicine in Chicago, agriculture, transportation rail hub and airport hub, and currently an administration getting it together. It has alot more going on than Washington, sorry.
Funny thing is the third largest company in Illinois, employs all of 500 people in Chicago, and does most of it's business in...Washington State

Rail Hub and Airport hub would lose value if it becomes it's own Country.

Agriculturally it's alittle bit misleading. Illinois is a leader in cash crops, like Corn and Soybeans. Great industry that produces alot of money, but doesn't add value to the sustainability of your nations food source. Washington State only ranks behind California in total Fruit and Produce production. It's also top 5 in wheat production, and far and the way the biggest state in Hops production. Neither state produces alot of Beef or Poultry. Washington is third in Seafood production.

Washington currently ranks higher in per capita GDP and is a surplus energy producer that primarily relies on renewables instead of the coal that Illinois relies on.

Illinois is better positioned than most states, but pound for pound I think Washington wins this fight.

Sources:

https://www.globaltrademag.com/state...ts-vegetables/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._States_by_GDP

https://beef2live.com/story-ranking-...wheat-0-210491
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Old 01-16-2022, 03:22 PM
 
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I would think the majority of landlocked states outside of maybe Nevada and Colorado would have no chance as their own country.
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Old 01-17-2022, 08:48 PM
 
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Illinois is landlocked which would put it at a massive disadvantage compared to state-countries with direct access to the sea.
Not true. The Great Lakes lead to the St. Lawrence River which goes directly to the Atlantic Ocean. Illinois could enter into treaties with Michigan and Canada.
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Old 01-17-2022, 11:58 PM
 
Location: California → Tennessee → Ohio
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Definitely California. It's population is more than the country of Canada.
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Old 01-18-2022, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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California and New York. They can secede now.
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Old 01-18-2022, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Not sure why Illinois is excluded from these. Huge amount of Fortune 500 companies, law and medicine in Chicago, agriculture, transportation rail hub and airport hub, and currently an administration getting it together. It has alot more going on than Washington, sorry.
Washington state has one of the largest seaports in the world and borders British Columbia. It also has one of the longest planting seasons with a tremendously diverse selection of agricultural products.

The whole thread is about "thriving as their own country." Being a transportation rail and logistics hub becomes meaningless when you're your own country apart from the rest.

By definition, the states that will do best are already the states that are more isolated and removed from most people's daily awareness in this country. States like Washington. Just the past two weeks, it was completely cut off from the rest of the country by ground from snow in the mountain passes. Life went on.
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