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I accidentally left it out, but it would be like California and New York, a Greece or Venezuela type nation with a dysfunctional far left wing government and an unsustainable welfare state. With constant violent protests, an electorate with unreasonable demands of handouts etc. The dominance of Chicago in Illinois guarantees this. Another Midwestern state like Ohio would honestly be more successful.
You really don't know what far left is. California, New York, and Illinois would be neoliberal nations like the rest of the west.
Thrive.....only Texas. If Texas was independent it would have the right to secure the Mexican border on its own terms and control illegal immigration and drug trafficking, and its oil and gas industry would not be subject to federal overregulation. Texas has a strong capitalist and entrepenreual character that has built a strong economy and will not have a costly welfare state that holds back many other states and nations.
Second place would be Florida. Hawaii can survive as a relatively well off island tourist nation similar to the Cayman Islands, the Bahamas etc with that kind of economy but maybe smaller cause its far from land.
If California or New York become independent, they can survive but with nobody to keep their radical leftist impulses in check, they will become economically failed, chaotic nations like Greece or Venezuela. They will have very business-unfriendly environments that will harm their economy and will have trouble paying for the generous welfare state.
You do realize that the red states are more dependent on Federal money, right?
I accidentally left it out, but it would be like California and New York, a Greece or Venezuela type nation with a dysfunctional far left wing government and an unsustainable welfare state. With constant violent protests, an electorate with unreasonable demands of handouts etc. The dominance of Chicago in Illinois guarantees this. Another Midwestern state like Ohio would honestly be more successful.
Like Sweden, or Switzerland, or Iceland, or (insert name of successful, peaceful Northern European nation)? Liberal in the US is center-right in most of the remaining western world.
California is 44th, New York is 40th and Illinois is 47th in financial reliance on Federal funds.
Get informed.
And yet amazingly the 2nd and 3nd most populous states (and by far the two fastest growing for like over a decade now) ranked only 38th and 39th. Aren't the three states you named actually the states that are losing the most people out of all the states? Wow so weird..
And yet amazingly the 2nd and 3nd most populous states (and by far the two fastest growing for like over a decade now) ranked only 38th and 39th. Aren't the three states you named actually the states that are losing the most people out of all the states? Wow so weird..
Lot's of reasons for that....
And that's not the topic. The topic is what states could survive as their own countries. Texas and Florida likely could, since they don't rely heavily on Federal money. I'd contend that states not relying on Federal money would have the best shot. Someone made the point that those liberal states couldn't. The data bears out that is false....unless you are New Mexico.
California is a top 10 economy in the world. I think they'd be fine. New York has the financial capital (or #2 at worst) of the globe in its state. Think they'd be okay too. Illinois would probably struggle for various reasons, but it sure wouldn't be because they rely on Federal funding.
And that's not the topic. The topic is what states could survive as their own countries. Texas and Florida likely could, since they don't rely heavily on Federal money. I'd contend that states not relying on Federal money would have the best shot. Someone made the point that those liberal states couldn't. The data bears out that is false....unless you are New Mexico.
California is a top 10 economy in the world. I think they'd be fine. New York has the financial capital (or #2 at worst) of the globe in its state. Think they'd be okay too. Illinois would probably struggle for various reasons, but it sure wouldn't be because they rely on Federal funding.
Federal spending is a bit broad. It would really depend on what that spending is meant to be used for. The Alabama Blackbelt and Huntsville are both heavily reliant on federal money, but one could be way more easily adapted to a private funding model than the other. Military, Medical Research and Science tend to be heavily funded by federal money, but in time of a central collapse, there'd be large incentive to adjust revenue to keep them running.
Welfare programs across the board are different story, and it'll be dependent on how well both local generosity and current local structures can adapt to fill the gap. That speculation is iffy at best, because we are lost past the time places like the Red Cross refused government money when the fear was it'd affect local giving. Larger welfare number states might not correlate to failing faster than current lower ones depending on how much the local citizenry is willing to step up. Publicly known safety nets for funding are a bit of a double edged sword (people more apt to give the more they think the recipient is in need), and that balancing act to make sure local charities get optimal funding is extremely localized.
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