Are we getting/at/past the point where NY and LA are no longer the gateways to America? (required, news)

[Harbits]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Right but I was looking at flights 5,000+ miles.

Oh yea duh. I guess you picked 5,000 miles so LA and SF would rise to the top since they are so isolated?

[Drewjdeg]

They are still gateways - but Dallas, Houston, Seattle, etc. have also become gateways.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Harbits

Oh yea duh. I guess you picked 5,000 miles so LA and SF would rise to the top since they are so isolated?

Well, I was really looking at ultra long haul flights(14+hrs) but decided to cut it back to 5,000+ miles to get more routes.

American carriers dont fly as many ultra long haul flights as you might think:

Longest Routes by US-based airlines'(7,000+miles)

Miles----Carrier---------------Route
8,694--United Airlines--------San Francisco to Bangalore
8,596--United Airlines--------Houston to Sydney
8,441--United Airlines--------San Francisco to Singapore
8,439--Delta Airlines---------Atlanta to Johannesburg
8,119--American Airlines-----Dallas to Hong Kong
8,078--American Airlines-----Seattle to Bangalore
8,056--United Airlines--------Newark to Hong Kong
7,990--United Airlines--------Newark to Johannesburg
7,912--United Airlines--------Los Angeles to Melbourne
7,855--United Airlines--------San Francisco to Melbourne
7,807--United Airlines--------Newark to Mumbai
7,794--United Airlines--------Chicago to Hong Kong
7,707--United Airlines--------San Francisco to Delhi
7,659--Delta Airlines----------Atlanta to Shanghai
7,488--United Airlines--------Los Angeles to Sydney
7,440--American Airlines-----Dallas to Auckland
7,422--United Airlines--------San Francisco to Tel Aviv
7,417--United Airlines--------San Francisco to Sydney
7,384--United Airlines--------Newark to Shanghai
7,351--American Airlines-----Dallas to Shanghai
7,324--United Airlines--------Newark to Delhi
7,318--American Airlines-----New York to Delhi
7,153--Delta Airlines----------Atlanta to Seoul
7,137--Delta Air Lines--------Detroit to Shanghai
7,057--United Airlines--------Chicago to Shanghai

[rnc2mbfl]

Originally Posted by Harbits

Where did you get 7 for Miami? Out of MIA's 93 nonstop international routes I'm seeing 19 going to Europe and the Middle East alone in Jan. 2022. And 74 nonstop domestic.


https://www.miami-airport.com/librar...s%20Served.pdf
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They were only selecting routes of 5000 miles or more.

[SonySegaTendo617]

Thanks for posting this list of longest flights, from all of the bigger US cities. It's interesting NYC(JFK) to Singapore looks like the longest such flight, at 9,534 miles. For whatever reason, I thought a nonstop middle flight to some Middle East city would be the longest international flight from the US(i.e. to Tel Aviv, Dubai, etc), but what do I know?

[saybanana]

In general many immigrants these days are sponsors of recent Americans. I think it's called secondary migration. So the brothers sisters,
Parents, adult children. .. it's common to bring your family. It's an expensive and a long process. These immigrants will likely live near the family until they are established.

Other immigrants without these ties often choose to live near established ethnic enclaves. Maybe 30 years plus there were a handful of places a person might go. For example a Japanese immigrant or Korean, or Somalian or Iranian. Being near foods or language help. These days. New enclaves have grown in other cities. And new immigrants can choose a different city that wasn't available decades ago.

[citylove101]

A lot of immigrants still start out in NYC, LA, San Fran, Miami. But like many native-born Americans, they’ll move to different places, both to the ‘burbs and other regions, once they’ve gotten settled and saved some money. Of course some stay in these cities, often because their compatriots have built the social infrastructure they need. But eventually moving on is no different than what immigrants here have done for a hundred years.

[mhays25]

Let's look at some Immigration Yearbook data for lawful permanent residents for some of those cities.

1999 by MSA:
- NY: 12.5% of total
- LA: 8.5%
- SF: 1.8%
- Mia: 4.7%
- Sea: 1.1%
- Hou: 2.3%

2009 by Core Based Statistical Area (sounds like it's the same as MSA):
- NY: 16.8%
- LA: 8.6%
- SF: 2.9%
- Mia: 7.4%
- Sea: 1.8%
- Hou: 2.3%

2019 by Core Based Statistical Area:
- NY: 15.0%
- LA: 7.4%
- SF: 3.2%
- Mia: 7.1%
- Sea: 1.9%
- Hou: 3.9%

2020 by Core Based Statistical Area:
- NY: 14.1%
- LA: 7.3%
- SF: 3.9%
- Mia: 5.6%
- Sea: 2.5%
- Hou: 3.8%

That's not enough to really draw conclusions. Each year is a snapshot. And it's just one category.

Kudos to Houston btw.

[NearFantastica]

I'd be interested to see which major cities receive the most immigrants from East Asia or the Middle East. It is well known that African immigrants are pretty spread out throughout the US thanks to refugee programs, and Latin Americans flock to Florida, NY, and California

[the resident09]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Uh, it's been that way for a long time already....you can fly from almost anywhere in the country to London nowadays. You can fly from Seattle to India, from Boston to Japan, from Atlanta to South Africa etc.

I created this thread last year and as you can see, LAX and JFK and EWR are major long haul gateway but so are many other airports these days.

Select US Airports by Nonstop Routes 5,000+ Air Miles

Washington(IAD): 13
7,088 miles------Abu Dhabi(Etihad)
7,069 miles------Dubai(Emirates)
6,959 miles------Seoul(Korean Air)
6,927 miles------Doha(Qatar Airways)
6,921 miles------Beijing(Air China, United Airlines)
6,753 miles------Tokyo(ANA, United Airlines)
6,737 miles------Riyadh(Saudia)
6,581 miles------Jeddah(Saudia)
5,951 miles------Tel Aviv(United Airlines)
5,832 miles------Cairo(Egyptair)
5,288 miles------Warsaw(LOT Polish Airlines)
5,296 miles------Accra(South African Airways, United Airlines)
5,225 miles------Istanbul(Turkish Airlines)

Dulles should at least have 15. There's directs to Hong Kong on Cathay Pacific.

https://www.flydulles.com/nonstop-fl...cathay-pacific

Direct flights to Lagos were added last year on United.

https://wtop.com/business-finance/20...lagos-nigeria/