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Old 04-08-2022, 09:16 AM
 
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"wilderness stuff"...

There is official designation, tougher standards and lesser standards.

Know what you want.

There are some spots in east that are official wilderness, some spots that meet higher standards and a lot that wouldn't for me and others.

Greenery & hiking (or walking) are easy to find. Wilderness is harder to find. "Wild spots" can be found but wilderness to me involves thousands or tens of thousands of acres. (A thousand is a little over 1.5 square miles. Ten thousand acres, a bit more than 3 miles by 5 miles.) How important the difference is varies by person. Is typical National Forest or a state park wild enough? If there are paved roads and houses within a couple miles is it wild enough?

This is the list of official wilderness in Virginia: https://www.vawilderness.org/va-wild...ational%20Park.
Typically 5-10,000 acres. Walk across it in a couple hours.


Have you lived in the East? Have a sense of summer humidity?

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Old 04-08-2022, 10:46 AM
 
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I notice you mention "unbearable heat". If that is the case, you might want to look toward the northern states, from Minnesota to Maine.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine all have areas of forest, parks, hiking trails and tons of natural freshwater lakes.

One possibility is Saratoga County or the surrounding areas, a county which spans everything from suburbs in the south end near Albany, small towns and rural areas in the center and the wilderness of the Adirondacks in the north. You would have easy access to the huge Adirondack Park to the North and the state of Vermont to the east.
I second this, as this part may have been overlooked in the OP.
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Old 04-08-2022, 11:08 AM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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If you want a blend of urbanity and nature then Minneapolis. It will have similar geography to Madison but obviously bigger. We have lots of wooded parks within city limits. Theodore Wirth and Minnehaha are awesome plus the lakes.
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Old 04-08-2022, 11:52 AM
 
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There is pocket wilderness and large or vast wilderness. South Hills in Idaho at close to 100,000 acres. Some western wilderness areas are near or over 1 million acres.

May take a somewhat different mindset / usage with pocket wilderness. But both are good resources.
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Old 04-08-2022, 12:09 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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"wilderness stuff"...

There is official designation, tougher standards and lesser standards.

Know what you want.

There are some spots in east that are official wilderness, some spots that meet higher standards and a lot that wouldn't for me and others.

Greenery & hiking (or walking) are easy to find. Wilderness is harder to find. "Wild spots" can be found but wilderness to me involves thousands or tens of thousands of acres. (A thousand is a little over 1.5 square miles. Ten thousand acres, a bit more than 3 miles by 5 miles.) How important the difference is varies by person. Is typical National Forest or a state park wild enough? If there are paved roads and houses within a couple miles is it wild enough?

This is the list of official wilderness in Virginia: https://www.vawilderness.org/va-wild...ational%20Park.
Typically 5-10,000 acres. Walk across it in a couple hours.


Have you lived in the East? Have a sense of summer humidity?
Good points. One of the reasons I mentioned the Saratoga area (besides the OP's unbearable heat comment) is because the Adirondacks are so nearby. There is over 1 million acres of state owned wilderness areas in the Adirondacks plus another million+ of "wild forests". Wilderness areas are just as strict as the Federal wilderness designation while the "wild forest" areas allow some human activities. Plus they are in sizeable chunks larger then 10,000 acres.

Wilderness area account for 46% of the area of the park which is not private property. They are managed like federal wilderness areas. These areas are far more affected by nature than humanity, to the extent that the latter is practically unnoticeable, for example virgin forest. No powered vehicles are allowed in wilderness areas.

Blue Ridge Wilderness Area - 47,177 acres (185.09 km2)), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/100449.html
Five Ponds Wilderness Area - 107,230 acres (447.44 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/34719.html
Giant Mountain Wilderness Area - 23,100 acres (92.14 km2), dec.ny.gov/lands/100750.html
Ha-De-Ron-Dah Wilderness Area - 26,600 acres (107.36 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/91261.html
High Peaks Wilderness Area - 275,460 acres (779.77 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/9164.html
Hoffman Notch Wilderness Area - 38,488 acres (146.62 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/81598.html
Jay Mountain Wilderness Area - 7,951 acres (28.7 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/98307.html
McKenzie Mountain Wilderness Area - 37,616 acres (152.23 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/105647.html
Pepperbox Wilderness Area - 23,816 acres (91.30 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/34719.html
Pharaoh Lake Wilderness Area - 46,283 acres (185.68 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/107648.html
Pigeon Lake Wilderness Area - 50,100 acres (202.8 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/102484.html
Round Lake Wilderness Area - 11,430 acres (44.5 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/9165.html
Sentinel Range Wilderness Area - 23,874 acres (94.10 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/101901.html
Siamese Ponds Wilderness Area - 114,010 acres (455.37 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/53172.html
Silver Lake Wilderness Area - 106,770 acres (426.01 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/100874.html
West Canada Lake Wilderness Area - 168,920 acres (634.12 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/105391.html
William C. Whitney Wilderness Area - 19,500 acres (83.0 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/9165.html

The 19,000-acre (77 km2) Saint Regis Canoe Area, presently the only Canoe Area in the park, operates under essentially the same conditions as the Wilderness Areas
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiron...lassifications
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Old 04-08-2022, 12:26 PM
 
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Yes the Adirondacks are one of the top wilderness areas in East.

I made a few trips there long ago. Caught in a strong hail storm going up Mount Marcy, kept going. An hour later cleared off, great views. The many many lakes are a strong point.
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Old 04-08-2022, 12:45 PM
 
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Any city in Appalachia, so Pittsburgh, Chattanooga, Asheville, Roanoke, etc.
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Old 04-08-2022, 01:05 PM
 
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This. It's a head scratcher as to why people always suggest Ashville for scenery as though it exists alone in some sort of Appalachian bubble. Tons of beautiful little towns and cities in that part of Appalachia if scenery is your number one factor in choosing a new location.
Simple. Asheville is set in one of the most scenic locations in the entire U.S.
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Old 04-08-2022, 01:28 PM
 
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Good points. One of the reasons I mentioned the Saratoga area (besides the OP's unbearable heat comment) is because the Adirondacks are so nearby. There is over 1 million acres of state owned wilderness areas in the Adirondacks plus another million+ of "wild forests". Wilderness areas are just as strict as the Federal wilderness designation while the "wild forest" areas allow some human activities. Plus they are in sizeable chunks larger then 10,000 acres.

Wilderness area account for 46% of the area of the park which is not private property. They are managed like federal wilderness areas. These areas are far more affected by nature than humanity, to the extent that the latter is practically unnoticeable, for example virgin forest. No powered vehicles are allowed in wilderness areas.

Blue Ridge Wilderness Area - 47,177 acres (185.09 km2)), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/100449.html
Five Ponds Wilderness Area - 107,230 acres (447.44 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/34719.html
Giant Mountain Wilderness Area - 23,100 acres (92.14 km2), dec.ny.gov/lands/100750.html
Ha-De-Ron-Dah Wilderness Area - 26,600 acres (107.36 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/91261.html
High Peaks Wilderness Area - 275,460 acres (779.77 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/9164.html
Hoffman Notch Wilderness Area - 38,488 acres (146.62 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/81598.html
Jay Mountain Wilderness Area - 7,951 acres (28.7 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/98307.html
McKenzie Mountain Wilderness Area - 37,616 acres (152.23 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/105647.html
Pepperbox Wilderness Area - 23,816 acres (91.30 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/34719.html
Pharaoh Lake Wilderness Area - 46,283 acres (185.68 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/107648.html
Pigeon Lake Wilderness Area - 50,100 acres (202.8 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/102484.html
Round Lake Wilderness Area - 11,430 acres (44.5 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/9165.html
Sentinel Range Wilderness Area - 23,874 acres (94.10 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/101901.html
Siamese Ponds Wilderness Area - 114,010 acres (455.37 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/53172.html
Silver Lake Wilderness Area - 106,770 acres (426.01 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/100874.html
West Canada Lake Wilderness Area - 168,920 acres (634.12 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/105391.html
William C. Whitney Wilderness Area - 19,500 acres (83.0 km2), https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/9165.html

The 19,000-acre (77 km2) Saint Regis Canoe Area, presently the only Canoe Area in the park, operates under essentially the same conditions as the Wilderness Areas
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiron...lassifications
Another city/area that also comes to mind is Glens Falls: Glens Falls is full of things to do, delicious restaurants, and numerous places to shop for everyone in your family or friends.

Lake George is in that area about 20 minutes away and has a beach right on the lake of the same name with views of the Adirondacks: https://www.lakegeorge.com/business/...ar-beach-8740/
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4179...7i16384!8i8192
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Old 04-08-2022, 03:37 PM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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Simple. Asheville is set in one of the most scenic locations in the entire U.S.
Again, it is not alone, lots of places nearby are every bit as scenic, I live in one of those nearby places. Asheville has other things going for it too, but it doesn't have a monopoly on scenic Appalachian beauty.
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