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That's not true. Have you heard of the NYC School Zone Speed cameras? I have and I've gotten nailed on the West Side Hwy going through one.
Now it's only going to get worse and the city is really trying to garner more revenue which they are going to with the new rule that is going into effect today!
Fair point. Thinking back on it now, I got nailed by one is Astoria a few years back. But it's fair to say that for the vast majority, traffic is allowed to move as fast as traffic can, especially so in Midtown.
Fair point. Thinking back on it now, I got nailed by one is Astoria a few years back. But it's fair to say that for the vast majority, traffic is allowed to move as fast as traffic can, especially so in Midtown.
Which is usually never above 25mph anyway, especially if you're talking about city streets.
Regardless of where in the U.S. -- I do wish more drivers were courteous to realize that right turn on red where legal and permitted is still an optional turn and is by no means legally mandatory. Can't stand it when some entitled driver behind me gets agitated because I don't feel comfortable with pulling out into an intersection because I can't see what's coming or feel unsafe about making an unprotected turn.
Just thought of one other odd traffic law I wonder if anywhere else has: In California you can turn left on red onto a one way street. Until I read this thread I’d almost forgot how freaked I was when a Lyft driver did this when I was out there. He explained that it was legal in Cali. I’ve never heard about it anywhere else though
Just thought of one other odd traffic law I wonder if anywhere else has: In California you can turn left on red onto a one way street. Until I read this thread I’d almost forgot how freaked I was when a Lyft driver did this when I was out there. He explained that it was legal in Cali. I’ve never heard about it anywhere else though
In most states you can turn left on red from a one way street onto another one way street. Which is basically the same thing as turning right on red, but in reverse. Here in Oregon you can turn left on red from a two way street onto a one way street, which is totally insane. I hate it.
You have to have no right on red in NYC. Otherwise you'd have mass pedestrian fatalities due to the amount of sheer street traffic. It's also why the speed limit is 25 mph in NYC unless otherwise posted.
I don't buy it. So why isn't there mass pedestrian fatalities in San Francisco or Chicago? You talk like NYC is the only city with heavy traffic. Outside of Manhattan, the amount of street traffic is really not out of the ordinary compared to other cities. So why does the No Right on Red apply to outlying sections of The Bronx or Brooklyn?
Clearly it's just a revenue stream for NYC. They know visitors won't know they can't make a turn on red. So they can ticket the tourists who probably won't come back to fight the ticket.
In most states you can turn left on red from a one way street onto another one way street. Which is basically the same thing as turning right on red, but in reverse. Here in Oregon you can turn left on red from a two way street onto a one way street, which is totally insane. I hate it.
Turning left on red from a 2 way street onto a 1 way street is not dangerous. I live in the Tulsa area. In Downtown Tulsa they do turn left on red onto a 2 way street from a one way street. The traffic still goes one direction on the one way street.
I don't buy it. So why isn't there mass pedestrian fatalities in San Francisco or Chicago? You talk like NYC is the only city with heavy traffic. Outside of Manhattan, the amount of street traffic is really not out of the ordinary compared to other cities. So why does the No Right on Red apply to outlying sections of The Bronx or Brooklyn?
Clearly it's just a revenue stream for NYC. They know visitors won't know they can't make a turn on red. So they can ticket the tourists who probably won't come back to fight the ticket.
The Bronx and Brooklyn are the most densely populated areas of land in the US outside of Manhattan. A lot denser than Chicago or SF. No right turn on red has nothing to do with street traffic, but with pedestrian traffic. It is much easier just to make the whole city have uniform traffic rules than have a patchwork of traffic rules neighborhood by neighborhood as you seem to be implying.
The Bronx and Brooklyn are the most densely populated areas of land in the US outside of Manhattan. A lot denser than Chicago or SF. No right turn on red has nothing to do with street traffic, but with pedestrian traffic. It is much easier just to make the whole city have uniform traffic rules than have a patchwork of traffic rules neighborhood by neighborhood as you seem to be implying.
I think you are pulling those stats out of your ass. According to Wikipedia the most densely populated areas in the US outside of Manhattan are in New Jersey. So why is it safe to make a right turn on red in New Jersey, but not in New York?
I did choose bad examples with The Bronx and Brooklyn. I should have used Queens as an example. Queens has a population density lower then Los Angeles. The eastern part of Queens is typical American suburbia. Single family homes with yards, lightly used street parking, virtually no pedestrian traffic. If it's not safe to make a right turn on red in Queens, then it's not safe to make a right turn on red in any American city.
There is no logical reason for No Right Turns on Red everywhere in NYC. It's just policing for profit. NYC makes $2 billion a year from traffic tickets. No Right Turns on Red is undoubtedly a large part of that.
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Incorporated places with a density of over 10,000 people per square mile
1 Guttenber New Jersey 57,116.0
2 Union City New Jersey 51,810.1
3 West New York New Jersey 49,362.4
4 Hoboken New Jersey 39,066.4
5 Kaser New York 27,788.2
6 New York City New York 27,016.3
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1 Manhattan New York City New York 69,467.5
5 Brooklyn New York City New York 35,369.1
6 The Bronx New York City New York 32,903.6 16 Queens New York City New York 20,553.6
— Staten Island New York City New York 8,030.3
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