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Huh? It sounds like you guys have an agenda so I'll let you have it. The fact that we are comparing the Acres neighborhood in Houston to living in DC proper is already enough to walk away from this...
By the way, DC is a city. A real one so detached single-family homes aren't prevalent.
Acres Home is in the city proper though so what are you talking about? It's literally 22 minutes from Downtown Houston. You know how far Anacostia is from downtown DC? 22 minutes the same distance. So how can Ward 8 count but not Acres Home? And it's literally in the city proper not on the outskirts.
Either way you still asked for examples of Black middle class moving into Black neighborhoods both city and suburb throughout this entire thread. Of course you want to walk away because everyone see's your moving the goal post in favor of D.C. What was the point of this thread if all you do is find a way to single out D.C. while diminishing every other cities Black populace for not being quite like D.C.? How can we give you a TOP 10 list if you keep shooting down or disqualifying every city outside of D.C.?
Even the little comment of D.C. being a real city was uncalled for. And I really like D.C. All you had to say was D.C. is a true urban city not one that has a suburban layout like Houston. We know that's what you meant.
Acres Home is in the city proper though so what are you talking about? It's literally 22 minutes from Downtown Houston. You know how far Anacostia is from downtown DC? 22 minutes the same distance. So how can Ward 8 count but not Acres Home? And it's literally in the city proper not on the outskirts.
Either way you still asked for examples of Black middle class moving into Black neighborhoods both city and suburb throughout this entire thread. Of course you want to walk away because everyone see's your moving the goal post in favor of D.C. What was the point of this thread if all you do is find a way to single out D.C. while diminishing every other cities Black populace for not being quite like D.C.? How can we give you a TOP 10 list if you keep shooting down or disqualifying every city outside of D.C.?
Even the little comment of D.C. being a real city was uncalled for. And I really like D.C. All you had to say was D.C. is a true urban city not one that has a suburban layout like Houston. We know that's what you meant.
DC wasn’t brought up for 85 posts until this:
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Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade
Yea this is another reminder of why you can't rule cities out.
Boston LA Oakland DC NY are all in the same boat. For COL and incomes.
Those Sunbelt cities do really really well for their COL. But still, people making those high incomes in the aforementioned cities are middle class in mindset/credential even if their homes don't show it as much. Not everyone values the big home and yard- I know i sure as hell don't.
I cant include SF due to the outrageous COL. Obviously, middle-class black people prefer Oakland, and having been to both I totally get why.
It never would have come up because the thread clearly said the focus was on #6-#10 which means we shouldn’t be talking about DC, NYC, Atlanta, Houston, or Dallas. But then someone tries to say people in DC are paying the same as NYC, Boston, and LA in COL which is always heavily focused on housing. But if you guys think people in DC are paying the same rent and mortgages as people in NYC, Boston, and LA, then so be it.
Like I said, you got it. Also, I’m not the one that said I shouldn’t be comparing houses in DC to detached single family homes in Houston, that was the other poster. I’m not arguing this COL thing. Believe what you guys want. It doesn’t really impact the people living here. And you saying I’m discrediting other Black professionals? How? My entire focus in this thread related to DC was trying to explain rents and mortgages where Black people live in DC proper. I’m over it now though, you guys can believe we are paying $3,000 in rent EOTR and buying $1,000,000 houses EOTR.
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^To be fair, are black middle class folks in say Canarsie and Flatlands in Brooklyn, parts of SE Queens, NE Bronx in NYC; Hyde Park, parts of Mattapan and Dorchester in Boston or say Leimert Park and other relatively middle class parts of South LA paying as much for the cities they are in? Perhaps, that is the way that comparison should be viewed.
Also, is there a population limit? I ask, because there may be smaller city propers with a higher grown in terms of their black middle class or have a higher percentage relative to other factors like cost of living or even in terms of the $75,000 minimum criteria. That last part has been illustrated through data.
^To be fair, are black middle class folks in say Canarsie and Flatlands in Brooklyn, parts of SE Queens, NE Bronx in NYC; Hyde Park, parts of Mattapan and Dorchester in Boston or say Leimert Park and other relatively middle class parts of South LA paying as much for the cities they are in? Perhaps, that is the way that comparison should be viewed.
Also, is there a population limit? I ask, because there may be smaller city propers with a higher grown in terms of their black middle class or have a higher percentage relative to other factors like cost of living or even in terms of the $75,000 minimum criteria. That last part has been illustrated through data.
I guess the question is, what are people in those areas paying and how does it compare to EOTR DC rents and mortgages? We know what DC jobs pay, now the question is, how much are mortgages and rents in those areas compared to EOTR DC? That was my only point from the very beginning. The claim was that the prices are the same so I don’t know.
What is the average mortgage and rent in Canarsie and Flatlands in Brooklyn, parts of SE Queens, NE Bronx in NYC; Hyde Park, parts of Mattapan and Dorchester in Boston or say Leimert Park and other relatively middle class parts of South LA? Here are the market rents for the following zip codes in the City of Boston, City of Houston, and Washington D.C.. Maybe you can do LA and NYC.
I guess the question is, what are people in those areas paying and how does it compare to EOTR DC rents and mortgages? We know what DC jobs pay, now the question is, how much are mortgages and rents in those areas compared to EOTR DC? That was my only point from the very beginning. The claim was that the prices are the same so I don’t know.
What is the average mortgage and rent in Canarsie and Flatlands in Brooklyn, parts of SE Queens, NE Bronx in NYC; Hyde Park, parts of Mattapan and Dorchester in Boston or say Leimert Park and other relatively middle class parts of South LA? Here are the market rents for the following zip codes in the City of Boston, City of Houston, and Washington D.C.. Maybe you can do LA and NYC.
Atlanta city proper isn't gaining the black middle class, they're moving to the suburbs. Tech companies are moving in and gentrification is going on all over. A lot of the black population is being displaced with housing prices increasing rapidly and many White / Asian tech bro types are moving into the city now.
In general, those prices are accurate. A 2BR will run you 2200 right now.
I used the zip codes from my data collection and study area earlier in the thread.
I’m confused about what you’re saying regarding the 2-bedroom average rental price in these Boston zip codes having an average of $2,200.
Does that mean you agree with the 2-bedroom average rental price in the DC zip codes being $1,200? Does that mean you agree the average rent for 2-bedrooms in those Houston zip codes is $1,100?
I used the zip codes from my data collection and study area earlier in the thread.
I’m confused about what you’re saying regarding the 2-bedroom average rental price in these Boston zip codes having an average of $2,200.
Does that mean you agree with the 2-bedroom average rental price in the DC zip codes being $1,200? Does that mean you agree the average rent for 2-bedrooms in those Houston zip codes is $1,100?
I don't see many 2BRs for that price in DC it seems a bit suspect but okay, ill go with it.
Since the time I looked at going to college (2011), DC has always been a cheaper rental market with more expensive homes to purchase than in Boston. That's begun to change but ...not really.
As said before Boston has many more multi-unit and multi-family buildings. That's the predominant housing type which requires you to halve, third, or quarter the price of some of these homes if trying to look at what it is to purchase a home/condo...
The average Boston home price is $800,000 per redfin. In DC- where those are MUCH less prominent, the average price of a home is $749,000.
The average SFH in DC goes for 1.3M
The average SFH in Boston goes for 830k
To the bolded only problem with your post is we only see a total of 4 apartments that are 2 bedrooms under 1300 in DC EOTR. If that's the median why do I see 25 Apartments under 2200 in the black areas of Boston? Shouldn't we be seeing equivalent availability? Really it should be more for DC since all the housing production..no?
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