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No population limit. It is really supposed to be the cities gaining the most. If a smaller city is gaining more than larger cities, then they would make the top 10.
What might have to be done is to show what the real/assumed top 4 look like together, then from there, people can present information for other cities. That way, we can see where cities rank in terms of the topic. Especially, if there is no population limit.
Of the 50 largest metros, here are the top 10 central cities that had the largest increase in Black population between 2010 and 2020 (in order, by number of people, not percentage):
Columbus
Jacksonville
Phoenix
Charlotte
Indianapolis
Houston
Las Vegas
San Antonio
Minneapolis
Oklahoma City
Of the 50 largest metros, counting only cities that showed an increase in Black population, here are the 10 central cities with the largest Black population in 2020 (in order):
Houston
Dallas
Jacksonville
Charlotte
Columbus
Indianapolis
Atlanta
New Orleans
Phoenix
Raleigh
Note that many places with a large Black population (like NYC, LA, DC, Boston, etc) showed a decrease in Black population between 2010 and 2020, so are not included on this list.
Of the 50 largest metros, here are the top 10 central cities that had the largest increase in Black population between 2010 and 2020 (in order, by number of people, not percentage):
Columbus
Jacksonville
Phoenix
Charlotte
Indianapolis
Houston
Las Vegas
San Antonio
Minneapolis
Oklahoma City
Of the 50 largest metros, counting only cities that showed an increase in Black population, here are the 10 central cities with the largest Black population in 2020 (in order):
Houston
Dallas
Jacksonville
Charlotte
Columbus
Indianapolis
Atlanta
New Orleans
Phoenix
Raleigh
Note that many places with a large Black population (like NYC, LA, DC, Boston, etc) showed a decrease in Black population between 2010 and 2020, so are not included on this list.
Please note, this thread is about Black middle-class households. It is not about all Black people.
Please note, this thread is about Black middle-class households. It is not about all Black people.
Agree, but there has been a lot of bandwidth focused on 2 cities that are losing overall Black population, while very little discussion has revolved around the top 3 cities gaining Black population, most certainly a good deal of it middle class households. It seems to me that looking at these cities should have been a good starting point.
Of the 50 largest metros, here are the top 10 central cities that had the largest increase in Black population between 2010 and 2020 (in order, by number of people, not percentage):
Columbus
Jacksonville
Phoenix
Charlotte
Indianapolis
Houston
Las Vegas
San Antonio
Minneapolis
Oklahoma City
Of the 50 largest metros, counting only cities that showed an increase in Black population, here are the 10 central cities with the largest Black population in 2020 (in order):
Houston
Dallas
Jacksonville
Charlotte
Columbus
Indianapolis
Atlanta
New Orleans
Phoenix
Raleigh
Note that many places with a large Black population (like NYC, LA, DC, Boston, etc) showed a decrease in Black population between 2010 and 2020, so are not included on this list.
Just looking at Columbus, Jacksonville and Phoenix...
Columbus went from 9.7% of households making at least $75k in 2000 to 19.7% in 2020.
Jacksonville went from 9.8% in 2000 to 22.1% in 2020
Phoenix went from 12.5% in 2000 to 24.1% in 2020.
So, all have essentially doubled, give or take, in terms of the makeup of black families within city limits making at least $75,000. There would have to be some adjustment for inflation, but $75k is still solidly middle class in these cities.
Agree, but there has been a lot of bandwidth focused on 2 cities that are losing overall Black population, while very little discussion has revolved around the top 3 cities gaining Black population, most certainly a good deal of it middle class households. It seems to me that looking at these cities should have been a good starting point.
I think you need to realize context. Let's look at Columbus for instance which is 220 sq. miles. Their gain isn't really impressive for such a massive land size. Do you know how many Black middle-class households the cities you mentioned gained in 220 sq. miles? Even Boston which is only 48.34 sq. miles gained around the same amount of Black middle-class households as Columbus making over $75K. If you expand that to 220 sq. miles, it's not even close.
Columbus, Ohio Black Household Difference 2011-2020
Land Size
220 square miles
Total Black Household Difference 2011-2020 = +14,286
Less than $10,000 = -4,106
$10,000 to $14,999 = -778
$15,000 to $19,999 = +732
$20,000 to $24,999 = -82
$25,000 to $29,999 = +599
$30,000 to $34,999 = +1,580
$35,000 to $39,999 = +718
$40,000 to $44,999 = +1,141
$45,000 to $49,999 = +2,031
$50,000 to $59,999 = +1,181
$60,000 to $74,999 = +3,283 $75,000 to $99,999 = +3,262
$100,000 to $124,999 = +1,823
$125,000 to $149,999 = +1,142
$150,000 to $199,999 = +1,383
$200,000 or more = +377
Total Black Middle-class Making Over $75K = +7,987
Total Black Household Difference 2011-2020 = +445
Less than $10,000 = -3817
$10,000 to $14,999 = -1161
$15,000 to $19,999 = -108
$20,000 to $24,999 = +800
$25,000 to $29,999 = -467
$30,000 to $34,999 = -1506
$35,000 to $39,999 = -295
$40,000 to $44,999 = -438
$45,000 to $49,999 = -298
$50,000 to $59,999 = -450
$60,000 to $74,999 = +1605 $75,000 to $99,999 = +6
$100,000 to $124,999 = +789
$125,000 to $149,999 = +696
$150,000 to $199,999 = +2551
$200,000 or more = +2538
Total Black Household Growth Over $75K = +6,580
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Just looking at Columbus, Jacksonville and Phoenix...
Columbus went from 9.7% of households making at least $75k in 2000 to 19.7% in 2020.
Jacksonville went from 9.8% in 2000 to 22.1% in 2020
Phoenix went from 12.5% in 2000 to 24.1% in 2020.
So, all have essentially doubled, give or take, in terms of the makeup of black families within city limits making at least $75,000. There would have to be some adjustment for inflation, but $75k is still solidly middle class in these cities.
Do you have the raw numbers? We can't use percentage when talking about gains. I'm sure there are cities with 300%-1,000% gains in Black middle-class households making over $75K. It's easy to have that type of percentage growth when you are starting with barely any households.
How many Black middle-class households did Jacksonville and Phoenix gain in raw numbers?
I looked into the property taxes for Columbus, Ohio. They are really high at 1.9%. A house that is $250,000 will have a $4,750 annual property tax bill. I really wish our people (Black people) had more education on property taxes. I can't tell you how many people I have talked to around the country that had no idea how property taxes impact their mortgage before buying.
You will never get that money back. It is not adding to your net worth. If two people are paying $1,800 for their mortgage and their interest rate is the same along with other bill, however, one person is paying $400 per month in property taxes while the other person is only paying less than $100, the person paying the $400 for taxes has a house worth probably $100,000 less than the other person. If they both sell their houses, the person with the lower tax bill is going to get way more profit than the person with that high tax bill even though they have the same mortgage.
Good list, but what makes this tough is that almost all of these cities are spread out.
To the original question, I wouldn’t be surprised if this would be more of a satellite city thing. For instance, a couple of small cities like Middletown NY and Brockton MA have about 40%+ of their black households have incomes of $75,000 or higher. So, those are the kinds of cities where the black middle class likely grew.
Looking at these 2 small cities, Middletown went from 11.3% in 2000 to 41.7% in 2020. Brockton went from 14.6% in 2000 to 45.1%. So, Middletown almost quadrupled in terms of its black households making at least $75k, while Brockton is a little over 3 times higher in that regard from 2000-2020.
As mentioned in a couple of these similar threads, the Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown metro area in NY is probably the most underrated metro area for black people. Between being one of the most integrated metros, one of(if not THE) smallest black-white per capita income gaps and one of the highest black median household incomes for top 100 metro areas in the country; while having public transportation access to NYC, this may be a metro area to keep an eye on.
Last edited by ckhthankgod; 07-21-2022 at 12:33 PM..
Looking at these 2 small cities, Middletown went from 11.3% in 2000 to 41.7% in 2020. Brockton went from 14.6% in 2000 to 45.1%. So, Middletown almost quadrupled in terms of its black households making at least $75k, while Brockton is a little over 3 times higher in that regard from 2000-2020.
As mentioned in a couple of these similar threads, the Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown metro area in NY is probably the most underrated metro area for black people. Between being one of the most integrated metros, one of(if not THE) smallest black-white per capita income gaps and one of the highest black median household incomes for top 100 metro areas in the country; while having public transportation access to NYC, this may be a metro area to keep an eye on.
Middletown, NY has an even higher property tax rate at 2.590%. A $250,000 house has a $6,475 annual tax bill. That is $539.58 per month added to your mortgage if you buy a house there. When we talk about building wealth, we should be pointing our Black middle-class households to areas with low property taxes regardless of where they are located.
This isn't about being in a big city or small city, this is about Black excellence, and we can't be great paying crazy high property taxes. It hurts our net worth as a people. We are talking about generational net worth loss over the last 400 years of oppression in America.
It's not what the house costs, it's the mortgage payment.
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