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Vegas and Austin seem to be doing a great job of directing growth to the core in comparison to other sunbelt metros.
Vegas already has a more dense urban area than most of the bigger sunbelt metros and it looks like it will keep that up for the time being.
Even out to an 8 mile radius, which is pretty large, it is amazing how much growth Vegas added in comparison to ATL and Dallas.
Miami is sandwiched between a rock and a hard place , and LA is a mega city. But Atl and Dallas are growing gangbusters but it seems it is more spread out than smaller cities like Vegas and Austin
Nashville I thought was on a similar pace as Austin in the close in areas, but it looks like there is a clear edge to Austin.
Vegas has no real suburban areas that are major employment centers. Dallas has Plano, Frisco and Irving. And that doesn't include Tarrant county 25 miles to the west and anchored by Fort Worth.
As a Houston native, now living in Dallas, its interesting that they flip rankings from 25 to 35 miles. I wonder too, if the center point was shifted to DFW Airport (midway between Dallas & Fort Worth) what would the numbers be?
Wait a minute. How is it that Houston has more people in its radius but yet Dallas is supposedly a larger Metro area?
What are they doing adding places that are ridiculously far away in order to inflate the numbers?
Wait a minute. How is it that Houston has more people in its radius but yet Dallas is supposedly a larger Metro area?
What are they doing adding places that are ridiculously far away in order to inflate the numbers?
The further away places meet commuting requirements to be counted at part of DFW.
And the numbers Resident09 gave was centered on the downtown for each. Houston is the center of its metro so the population radiates from it. Dallas-Fort Worth has multiple centers so a radius from Dallas doesn't necessarily capture everything
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Wait a minute. How is it that Houston has more people in its radius but yet Dallas is supposedly a larger Metro area?
What are they doing adding places that are ridiculously far away in order to inflate the numbers?
The purpose for the most recent radius population totals was to calculate population from the downtown center, as best and fairly as possible for each city. Houston simply radiates more evenly from the center of downtown than Dallas does by comparison to it's metro population. In fact Houston probably radiates most evenly from it's downtown into the suburbs in a circumferential balanced population at each level, more than any large metro in the nation.
The Houston area population is slightly more dense than DFW. Using "Dallas Union Station" next to the reunion tower as the radius point, and "Houston Central Station/Main" in downtown Houston the totals reflect how far you have to go out from that center point to achieve the population totals listed. But one thing you can do by playing around with the tool is tap around a bit and find different totals that may fluctuate at the same radius for every city. Most cities have un even population distribution using a geographic circle.
Wait a minute. How is it that Houston has more people in its radius but yet Dallas is supposedly a larger Metro area?
What are they doing adding places that are ridiculously far away in order to inflate the numbers?
Because commuting patterns dictate MSA size, not raw population.
Population radius is more indicative of contiguous urban area/size.
Wait a minute. How is it that Houston has more people in its radius but yet Dallas is supposedly a larger Metro area?
What are they doing adding places that are ridiculously far away in order to inflate the numbers?
Dallas is the bigger metro area it’s just not all centered on Dallas. While exurban Dallas has more people than exurban Houston irked to make up the half a million+ difference. Like Houston’s MSA is probably closer to 6.9 million people cutting out the fluff. Dallas MSA is probably closer to 7.2 million people cutting out the fluff. It’s still bigger though.
The further away places meet commuting requirements to be counted at part of DFW.
And the numbers Resident09 gave was centered on the downtown for each. Houston is the center of its metro so the population radiates from it. Dallas-Fort Worth has multiple centers so a radius from Dallas doesn't necessarily capture everything
Also there are gaps in DFW. With its massive lakes it’s not exactly a circular metro even though it’s not on a coast like Houston is. However because of historic growth to Galveston and Montgomery County’s mroe reecent explosive growth. Houston really only has a western tilt and arguably SE Houston probably makes up some of that ground.
Dallas however had a bunch of weird geographical things that make it far more lopsided. Collin County might numerically be the fastest growing county in the State soon enough, and it’s growth is super highly concentrated in the County even though County government aren’t that strong in Texas. South Dallas is very empty, but South of South Dallas in Ellis County is popping off a little. East Dallas is also sluggish but Rockwalla me Kaufman counties are growing insanely fast. Fort Worth even though it’s the smaller side actually has more development south of it than Dallas does which just shows how lopsided the metro is. Denton County for example is far more connected growth wise to DFW/Irving/Carrollton than to Keller/Fort Worth/Roanoke and so while northern Fort Worth seems popular, going north you quickly realize that NE and SE and Eastern Fort Worth in general is the most developed areas, but a lot of that growth is linked with Dallas and the Fort Worth area and it’s immediate suburbs are fairly different.
All of these growth patterns mean that if you were to choose the densest part of DFW even though it’s inland, a circle wouldn’t be nearly as helpful as you would think. Not to mention the Trinity River with the widest floodplain known to man, eats up a significant percent of areas in both sides of the metro but especially South Dallas.
Dope thread concept, I'm gonna be back here later. One thing it affirms that has been mentioned prior, is how Raleigh is more densely populated and developed than Charlotte at nearly every population radius...
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