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I really think Houston isn't built for any sort of neighborhood like that, and that's because it's not fundamentally segregated enough. There's no South Atlanta or South Dallas or PG County/ East D.C dynamic in the city. Maybe an area like northern Missouri City could get development but that's a mile or two from really Hispanic Fifth Street, really mixed Stafford and really White and Asian Sugar Land. The only reason, I bring it up is because after the annexation of Riverstone and Sienna the area would still be plurality black and have the tax base to reinvest in itself, on a major level. The schools aren't highly rated and it's probably not close enough to the city to get the youngest professionals. Areas like Greenspoint are heavily black and have large office buildings and a fabric that could somewhat be converted into an urban one, but the area is also largely Hispanic.
Houston's Magnolia Park is currently the only neighborhood that is 90%+ one race (Hispanic), take in mind Houston uses superneighborhoods to define itself so there's certainly blacker, whiter and more Hispanic tracts but overall the city is mixed, and getting more so outside of Hispanic neighborhoods getting more Hispanic. However as demographics switch we'll see more Hispanic diversity and enough immigration from other groups that will keep the city from going majority Hispanic (nothing wrong with that btw, just pointing out in the instance that the city went from white majority to mixed to Hispanic majority very quickly)
Sunnyside is statistically the blackest neighborhood in the city at 86%. It's also contains ample greenspace near it and is in a grid. It's outside of the loop and does border majority black: Greater OST/South Union (79% and in the loop a complete grid as well), South Park (67% Black, grid), South Acres (85% Black, grid and lots of greenspace). Across the highway neighborhoods with probably the most potential and greenspace this close to popping areas of the city are: Astrodome (20% Black and probably declining with new development), Central Southwest (42% not a real neighborhood but a collection of apartments and smaller neighborhoods, lots of greenspace for redevelopment directly along a major highway, TMC project nearby), South Main (65%, loads of apartments and greenspace, TMC 3 coming into this neighborhood, could easily be more urban if the right type of development was pushed, loads of industry as well).
Lastly to mention is the Third Ward/MaGregor and Minnetex neighborhoods which are (60% and 35% Black) respectively. Minnetex is farmland and Third Ward/MacGregor is the current hub for black people in Central Houston and is seeing massive gentrification that will probably keep this area plurality black (TSU and UH being 80% and 10% Black respectively will benefit the area tremendously if they can turn at least some of the Third Ward into affordable and walkable student district akin to a cheaper West Campus). This would also benefit Texas Medical Center and Baylor/Medical School students.
Good news for the area is the southern suburbs are seeing massive black middle class growth and TMC is seeing big big improvwements and could easily be the local economic engine with 50,000+ new jobs planned for the area. With Manvel being the main benefiter as well as parts of Pearland, Fresno, Mo City, Iowa Colony, Rosharon and Alvin. The bad news however is that crime is rampant in this area. Another thing that's sorta good news is that the areas of Sunnyside+South Acres+South Park+OST+3rd Ward/MacGregor+Astrodome+South Main+Central Southwest+Minnetex has almost exactly 200,000 people. The density of the area is low, you could probably get the entire area to 400,000 people by just investing in the greenspace locations, maybe even 600,000 people by trying to make it "urban". Sunnyside is the center of the area, and the blackest part but if you want to be urban and maintain the black percentage you would probably focus on redeveloping OST/South Union, it's far South enough that while it's seeing black population loss it's nowhere near Third Ward/MacGregor.
I really think Houston isn't built for any sort of neighborhood like that, and that's because it's not fundamentally segregated enough. There's no South Atlanta or South Dallas or PG County/ East D.C dynamic in the city. Maybe an area like northern Missouri City could get development but that's a mile or two from really Hispanic Fifth Street, really mixed Stafford and really White and Asian Sugar Land. The only reason, I bring it up is because after the annexation of Riverstone and Sienna the area would still be plurality black and have the tax base to reinvest in itself, on a major level. The schools aren't highly rated and it's probably not close enough to the city to get the youngest professionals. Areas like Greenspoint are heavily black and have large office buildings and a fabric that could somewhat be converted into an urban one, but the area is also largely Hispanic.
Houston's Magnolia Park is currently the only neighborhood that is 90%+ one race (Hispanic), take in mind Houston uses superneighborhoods to define itself so there's certainly blacker, whiter and more Hispanic tracts but overall the city is mixed, and getting more so outside of Hispanic neighborhoods getting more Hispanic. However as demographics switch we'll see more Hispanic diversity and enough immigration from other groups that will keep the city from going majority Hispanic (nothing wrong with that btw, just pointing out in the instance that the city went from white majority to mixed to Hispanic majority very quickly)
Sunnyside is statistically the blackest neighborhood in the city at 86%. It's also contains ample greenspace near it and is in a grid. It's outside of the loop and does border majority black: Greater OST/South Union (79% and in the loop a complete grid as well), South Park (67% Black, grid), South Acres (85% Black, grid and lots of greenspace). Across the highway neighborhoods with probably the most potential and greenspace this close to popping areas of the city are: Astrodome (20% Black and probably declining with new development), Central Southwest (42% not a real neighborhood but a collection of apartments and smaller neighborhoods, lots of greenspace for redevelopment directly along a major highway, TMC project nearby), South Main (65%, loads of apartments and greenspace, TMC 3 coming into this neighborhood, could easily be more urban if the right type of development was pushed, loads of industry as well).
Lastly to mention is the Third Ward/MaGregor and Minnetex neighborhoods which are (60% and 35% Black) respectively. Minnetex is farmland and Third Ward/MacGregor is the current hub for black people in Central Houston and is seeing massive gentrification that will probably keep this area plurality black (TSU and UH being 80% and 10% Black respectively will benefit the area tremendously if they can turn at least some of the Third Ward into affordable and walkable student district akin to a cheaper West Campus). This would also benefit Texas Medical Center and Baylor/Medical School students.
Good news for the area is the southern suburbs are seeing massive black middle class growth and TMC is seeing big big improvwements and could easily be the local economic engine with 50,000+ new jobs planned for the area. With Manvel being the main benefiter as well as parts of Pearland, Fresno, Mo City, Iowa Colony, Rosharon and Alvin. The bad news however is that crime is rampant in this area. Another thing that's sorta good news is that the areas of Sunnyside+South Acres+South Park+OST+3rd Ward/MacGregor+Astrodome+South Main+Central Southwest+Minnetex has almost exactly 200,000 people. The density of the area is low, you could probably get the entire area to 400,000 people by just investing in the greenspace locations, maybe even 600,000 people by trying to make it "urban". Sunnyside is the center of the area, and the blackest part but if you want to be urban and maintain the black percentage you would probably focus on redeveloping OST/South Union, it's far South enough that while it's seeing black population loss it's nowhere near Third Ward/MacGregor.
Are there any neighborhoods in Houston that are 80% Hispanic or 80% White?
Doesn’t anyone think it’s ironic that other races have neighborhoods that are prosperous and 80% homogeneous all over America? Chinatown? Koreatown? Jewish? Mexican? El Salvadoran? White?
The difference is Black versions are almost never considered a place people want to visit or live. Why is that ok?
Doesn’t anyone think it’s ironic that other races have neighborhoods that are prosperous and 80% homogeneous all over America? Chinatown? Koreatown? Jewish? Mexican? El Salvadoran? White?
The difference is Black versions are almost never considered a place people want to visit or live. Why is that ok?
Other cities don't have to do exactly what DC is doing, but they can create something similar based on their own constraints.
They "can" but its unlikely they "will". Outside a few cities (NE cities/growing Southern metros), it's unlikely that many cities are going to have "Harlem" type neighborhoods in the future.
Are there any neighborhoods in Houston that are 80% Hispanic or 80% White?
Doesn’t anyone think it’s ironic that other races have neighborhoods that are prosperous and 80% homogeneous all over America? Chinatown? Koreatown? Jewish? Mexican? El Salvadoran? White?
The difference is Black versions are almost never considered a place people want to visit or live. Why is that ok?
IMO, it's because 1) as mentioned above, those past black neighborhoods were destroyed/disintegrated and 2) frankly, the vast majority black people don't want to live in / invest in urban neighborhoods. Folks want yards, large houses/lots, and decent public schools.
Suburbs are the most popular relocation spot for black people in pretty much every metro.
Are there any neighborhoods in Houston that are 80% Hispanic or 80% White?
Doesn’t anyone think it’s ironic that other races have neighborhoods that are prosperous and 80% homogeneous all over America? Chinatown? Koreatown? Jewish? Mexican? El Salvadoran? White?
The difference is Black versions are almost never considered a place people want to visit or live. Why is that ok?
It's because of global-anti blackness and actual crime. Too many of us are out here committing serious violent crimes in urban neighborhoods. That's the real. But whats also real is you are unlikely to ever be directly affected by a violent crime and that 97.5% of us are not involved.
They "can" but its unlikely they "will". Outside a few cities (NE cities/growing Southern metros), it's unlikely that many cities are going to have "Harlem" type neighborhoods in the future.
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IMO, it's because 1) as mentioned above, those past black neighborhoods were destroyed/disintegrated and 2) frankly, the vast majority black people don't want to live in / invest in urban neighborhoods. Folks want yards, large houses/lots, and decent public schools.
Suburbs are the most popular relocation spot for black people in pretty much every metro.
I can't see it happening anywhere that isn't the Northeast Corridor , perhaps Oakland and perhaps Atlanta.
The new construction builds have to supplement a pre-existing traditionally urban black neighborhood or else t is absolutely nothing like Harlem which looks to be like 9% pre-war build. Classically built urban always trumps new urban and new urbanism.
I just can't see anything similar to Harlem popping up in Houston- itd be a really really cringy and forced stretch
As early as 1937 there are newspaper descriptions of the "Little Harlem" night club in Roxbury/South End.
In early 1937, there were two nightclubs at Mass Ave and Columbus featuring jazz prominently in their entertainment mix: the Royal Palms at 410 Mass Ave, and Little Harlem at 428 Mass Ave. Both were owned by whites, hired black performers, and entertained racially mixed audiences.
When Dr. King arrived in Boston in 1951- the area was still known as Little Harlem.
During his time in Boston, Dr. King decided to live in South Boston [[written by a non-native Bostonian; they mean the South End] in an area known as “Little Harlem” so he could spend time exploring the city and being involved in city life. His apartment building, located at 397 Massachusetts Avenue, still houses residents today.
Are there any neighborhoods in Houston that are 80% Hispanic or 80% White?
Doesn’t anyone think it’s ironic that other races have neighborhoods that are prosperous and 80% homogeneous all over America? Chinatown? Koreatown? Jewish? Mexican? El Salvadoran? White?
The difference is Black versions are almost never considered a place people want to visit or live. Why is that ok?
Are there any neighborhoods in Houston that are 80% Hispanic or 80% White?
Doesn’t anyone think it’s ironic that other races have neighborhoods that are prosperous and 80% homogeneous all over America? Chinatown? Koreatown? Jewish? Mexican? El Salvadoran? White?
The difference is Black versions are almost never considered a place people want to visit or live. Why is that ok?
There isn’t a single neighborhood in Houston that is 80% white (Kingwood, a suburb is 77% and in the city, Montrose an actual urban neighborhood is 72% and declining as more well to do minorities move in). The closest are the Memorial Villages which are a separate community and very wealthy but they are fundamentally suburban, in every measurable way except they abut a lot of urbanism which gives them a more urbanist feel than a further out suburb. There are a couple neighborhoods that are 80% Hispanic but I don’t think anyone would argue those neighborhoods are thriving more than the black neighborhoods outside of being denser.
The three Hispanic neighborhoods are: Meadowbrook- 86%, Northside/Northline- 84% and the aforementioned Magnolia Park- 96%.
All three of them are either near 610 or in the loop with Magnolia Park so they are urban, but I don’t think anyone would call them popping centers of Hispanic culture even though they are the most Hispanic. I feel like Sharpstown/Gulfton or the Second Ward deserves that title more and their only; 56% Hispanic, 74% Hispanic and 76% Hispanic respectively. I’m no expert on Hispanic culture in the city of Houston so don’t take what I say as truth.
I do think Magnolia Park is close to the core of the city and is near a lot of new developments but that might just spell gentrification instead.
Are there any neighborhoods in Houston that are 80% Hispanic or 80% White?
Doesn’t anyone think it’s ironic that other races have neighborhoods that are prosperous and 80% homogeneous all over America? Chinatown? Koreatown? Jewish? Mexican? El Salvadoran? White?
The difference is Black versions are almost never considered a place people want to visit or live. Why is that ok?
C'mon, don't act naive. The vast, vast majority of Black American neighborhoods are blighted, crime infested and downright depressing with no hope, and I say this as an ADOS Black dude. We talk the talk when it comes to investing and taking care of our own communities but never walk the walk. If I don't wanna deal with the drama that comes with these areas, what makes you think non-Blacks would? The low amount of the productive Black American middle/upper class is completely outnumbered by the riff raff/ghetto class so why bother? Safety should be the number one concern, not affordability or muh diversity. Which is why if I decide to move back east it won't be where Black people are the majority or close to it, and it sucks to say that.
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