Cities that have dropped off in "coolness" since the 90s (neighborhood, luxury)
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As far a popular culture, I think Baltimore is more influential now than it was in the 90s. From Music, fashion, slang, now that I don't live there anymore, I can definitely see and hear its influence.
Baltimore is viewed as cool and edgy by many people. Kode Blue is right.
Baltimore is viewed as cool and edgy by many people. Kode Blue is right.
I suppose, I just never hear anyone online praise it, but then again people who are attracted to city life what a place with a sense of grime tend to be those who aren't on Youtube or even hang out on any site with a large following. If Baltimore can have a cool factor to it, then there's hope for the industrial cites. What's considered cool by those who live a normal middle-class background may be different to those who are in the artsy creative scene.
Tech made SF cool among Millenials with lefty values (even surpassing LA) but looked down among conservatives and liberaltiarns.
Hmm I get the opposite perception. My more lefty friends just associate tech (and SF in general) with endless wealth, gentrification, and privilege --- and Twitter's new owner isn't helping matters. (Though certainly a lot of right-wingers hate tech too, as evidenced by the phenomenon of alt-social media like Gab, Parler etc.)
And this exists in a weird tension with the fact that SF is still the nation's most LGBTQ+ city, and even has a Transgender District, and has countless events that wouldn't fly in interior America like the World Naked Bike Ride.
I suppose, I just never hear anyone online praise it, but then again people who are attracted to city life what a place with a sense of grime tend to be those who aren't on Youtube or even hang out on any site with a large following. If Baltimore can have a cool factor to it, then there's hope for the industrial cites. What's considered cool by those who live a normal middle-class background may be different to those who are in the artsy creative scene.
Artsy creative film makers, photographers, videographers, black urban culture, urban pioneers/house flippers, ravers, gangsters, and some goth/metal people all seem to think Baltimore is cool.
The closest you get to “normal” middle class background are some of the eastern/urban black urban middle class and RE investors.
It’s kinda of like how Detroit is considered cool by some people. I don’t think it is quite as poverty porn-y but similar.
I'd say Cleveland has dropped off since the 90s. In 1995 the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame opened. You had insanely popular and fun Indians teams in a new stadium going to multiple World Series. The Drew Carey Show was in primetime with good ratings singing "Cleveland rocks! Cleveland rocks!" Yeah, the Browns left for a minute, but they came back before the new millennium. Cleveland was on the upswing, dumping its burning river image. Unfortunately it didn't really pan out to anything meaningful. It continues to shrink at every level except CSA. You had a stint with Lebron later on, but they don't really have anything going on in the "cool" department these days.
I'd say Cleveland has dropped off since the 90s. In 1995 the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame opened. You had insanely popular and fun Indians teams in a new stadium going to multiple World Series. The Drew Carey Show was in primetime with good ratings singing "Cleveland rocks! Cleveland rocks!" Yeah, the Browns left for a minute, but they came back before the new millennium. Cleveland was on the upswing, dumping its burning river image. Unfortunately it didn't really pan out to anything meaningful. It continues to shrink at every level except CSA. You had a stint with Lebron later on, but they don't really have anything going on in the "cool" department these days.
First, cool reference on Eleanor Rigby.
I don’t know, maybe I’m totally biased. Cleveland isn’t “hip” like Austin or Portland but I never saw it as “uncool”. (I’ve been married to my husband for 15 yrs, who was born and raised in CLE.) The ‘90s momentum was nice but the orchestra and the museum have always been cool on an international level.( to me anyway), LeBron James did bring big publicity (didn’t follow sports so have no idea when he lived in CLE.) so did the cartoon Cleveland Brown.
We lived in Shaker Heights for one year (2019-2020) I thought the dining scene/foodie culture was making a stride, Lakewood and the neighboring Westside suburbs were getting a lot of buzz (some of the real estate went up to as high as $600 per square foot as I was on the market.)
CLE may be “uncool”, but I’ll take it over many “desirable” cities. The city is like Johnny Cash, you have to live a little to peel off the not-so-cute exterior.
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True. I wouldn't object to that. Honestly, DC doesn't really rank super high on the cool cities list, either at least not in the same way LA and NYC do.
I will say DC def fell off from the 90s- mid 2000s compared to now for many reasons most won't understand especially if you're not from the area. The local music scene (gogo) is dead. That scene was as live as you're Nashvilles and Austins only if you're hip. U street, Adam's Morgan, H street would all have traffic at 3am. Now they are proposing a system that can track noisy cars and fine them. I really think DC is turning into an agenda 30, sterile,15 minute city.
Id say Boston is a city that dropped off in the 90s and has slowly been inching its way back to its peak days.
Let me preface, around 2012 Boston became incredibly desirable and 'cool' place to live in especially if you are an intellectual or worked in the STEM field. It always has appealed to the Ivy League/Nantucket summer home/Nobel Peace Prize new tech grad over other cities. Thats its niche that slowly started expanding in the 2010s. Its a cool place to live now, yes. Im not denying that.
But compared to what it was during its peak in the 1980s? Its a far cry from that.
I don’t know, maybe I’m totally biased. Cleveland isn’t “hip” like Austin or Portland but I never saw it as “uncool”. (I’ve been married to my husband for 15 yrs, who was born and raised in CLE.) The ‘90s momentum was nice but the orchestra and the museum have always been cool on an international level.( to me anyway), LeBron James did bring big publicity (didn’t follow sports so have no idea when he lived in CLE.) so did the cartoon Cleveland Brown.
We lived in Shaker Heights for one year (2019-2020) I thought the dining scene/foodie culture was making a stride, Lakewood and the neighboring Westside suburbs were getting a lot of buzz (some of the real estate went up to as high as $600 per square foot as I was on the market.)
CLE may be “uncool”, but I’ll take it over many “desirable” cities. The city is like Johnny Cash, you have to live a little to peel off the not-so-cute exterior.
I'm sort of a foodie. Cleveland definitely does well in that area.
Id say Boston is a city that dropped off in the 90s and has slowly been inching its way back to its peak days.
Let me preface, around 2012 Boston became incredibly desirable and 'cool' place to live in especially if you are an intellectual or worked in the STEM field. It always has appealed to the Ivy League/Nantucket summer home/Nobel Peace Prize new tech grad over other cities. Thats its niche that slowly started expanding in the 2010s. Its a cool place to live now, yes. Im not denying that.
But compared to what it was during its peak in the 1980s? Its a far cry from that.
Boston does seem more attractive to young people.
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