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Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Originally Posted by Gaylord_Focker
I can't understand why people (mostly on CD) think Nova is southern. It feels different than the traditional south.
Because the South is not a monolith and has pockets throughout the region that are not traditionally Southern. I didn't say NOVA was full on South. It has a lot of north/south overlap, just like Maryland.
Because the South is not a monolith and has pockets throughout the region that are not traditionally Southern. I didn't say NOVA was full on South. It has a lot of north/south overlap, just like Maryland.
The issue is that people do see the South as a whole monolith. Based on the Mason-Dixon line. In modern decades that line really holds no value though. I live in NC (not even in a metro area) and there's still a significant mix of all 3 regions. That's why it feels like the true dividing line of these areas.
I feel like this conversation ends up going in circles. However, I visit Raleigh a lot these days and it's a cool area but it is definitely the south. Or at least coming from DC/NoVa, I can tell they're different worlds -- people drive slower, talk slower, are way more friendly and aren't as cold as people tend to be up north, they don't seem as money and status driven, far more laid back feel. There are also other stark differences but that's a whole different topic.
I say all that to say, I don't get how anyone can objectively say North Carolina isn't the south but that's jmo.
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Originally Posted by Flux96
It's probably because they aren't actually from the "real" South. NOVA has Wegmans and Wawa. There is absolutely nothing "Southern" about that.
Well you opened this up for discussion, and unless you intended on exclusively making it an only Southern audience, you're going to get different perspectives and observations. But I feel like the narrative here is a Southern purity test. It's always been a diverse region geographically, and now it's the fastest growing region of the country. Just because parts of the South have changed, doesn't mean they're not in the South.
Well you opened this up for discussion, and unless you intended on exclusively making it an only Southern audience, you're going to get different perspectives and observations. But I feel like the narrative here is a Southern purity test. It's always been a diverse region geographically, and now it's the fastest growing region of the country. Just because parts of the South have changed, doesn't mean they're not in the South.
Did you read the OP? I'm talking about cultural. This has nothing to do with the geography (because in that case I'd 100% agree w/ you).
I tend to think of VA as being the southern most portion of the Mid-Atlantic. The old row house towns can feel more like MD or even PA than much of the south. NC cities like Raleigh and Charlotte feel very New South boom town to me. Their native southern culture has certainly been deluted by all the domestic and international migration. But, I don't think they exactly make them Mid-Atlantic.
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Originally Posted by Flux96
Did you read the OP? I'm talking about cultural. This has nothing to do with the geography (because in that case I'd 100% agree w/ you).
I did read the OP. I have immediate family that has lived in NC for many years that I've frequently visited including Wilmington, New Bern, and Raleigh and I've watched them all grow and change. From a cultural perspective, especially in a city like Raleigh, is that it's new South. Where I differ in opinion is it's still Southern just the same, even if a bit diluted. If it's not traditionally Southern enough, then you've got yourself a Southern purity test which would have made a better thread title.
"Dividing line between the North, Mid-Atlantic, and the South" how do you even have a dividing line between three regions, one of which itself is regarded as the transition zone (yet also a distinct area) between the North and South?
NoVa, or perhaps Baltimore or even Hampton Roads, would much better serve as this designation. Stop trying to make/label North Carolina something it's not.
I feel like this conversation ends up going in circles. However, I visit Raleigh a lot these days and it's a cool area but it is definitely the south. Or at least coming from DC/NoVa, I can tell they're different worlds -- people drive slower, talk slower, are way more friendly and aren't as cold as people tend to be up north, they don't seem as money and status driven, far more laid back feel. There are also other stark differences but that's a whole different topic.
I say all that to say, I don't get how anyone can objectively say North Carolina isn't the south but that's jmo.
Here me out - I'm not saying that North Carolina "isn't" the South. I'm saying that it's currently the cuspiest state in terms of cultural influence. It's how Virginia was 20 years ago when the Silent Generation was still younger and occupying a large portion of their demographic.
"Dividing line between the North, Mid-Atlantic, and the South" how do you even have a dividing line between three regions, one of which itself is regarded as the transition zone (yet also a distinct area) between the North and South?
NoVa, or perhaps Baltimore or even Hampton Roads, would much better serve as this designation. Stop trying to make/label North Carolina something it's not.
I hate to break it to you, but it must seem like you really don't travel outside of NC if you think it's "100% Southern". This is an absurd claim, actually.
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