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I didn't prove your point. Absolutely nothing we do is going to change what our kids 3 generations from now are going to have to deal with.
Are you trolling or dead serious?
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The so-called scientific "consensus" isn't worth the paper it's written on. Motive goes to credibility. The only thing real about so-called Manmade Climate Change(TM) is the fact that it's complete fiction and manufactured scam whose sole purpose is to consolidate money, power and control.
Oil and gas and mining are big ones. But research, software, entertainment (movies), business services, finance etc are all things you can do without much water. It's really manufacturing and production and growing things that requires a lot of water. And even then, in places where they have a lot of water, like Iowa, people aren't growing tomatoes, barley and lambs in some self sufficiency drive, it's basically corn / soybean production exclusively.
Regarding disasters, some are easier to mitigate than others. You can cut down trees to prevent a wildfire, you can build better buildings to prevent earthquake deaths, but what do you do to prevent sea level rise or hurricanes? Coasts disasters are much more unmitigatable than inland disasters.
You also forgot the biggest one. Retirement! Waters not an issue if you live in the Scottsdale’s, Sun Cities etcetera of Arizona. There’s massive retirement communities down there that have fairly little in the way of industry or commercial.
Yeah, pretty much that's how it works unless you have a well.
Bro probably drives on the interstate everyday, talking about big brother. If you live in the U.S thinking your freedom loving and you have a gas guzzling vehicle your just as beholden to big government subsidies as everyone else.
Correct; people assume that it'll be there. And why not?
Water is required for human life, but the actual quantity that's required for civilization is really quite low in the grand scheme of things. Actual in-home water usage isn't high: roughly 200 gallons per day per household in metro Las Vegas. The average flow of the Colorado River alone could sustain 75M households at that rate -- over half the US population..
Only 0.5% of the planets fresh water is suitable for human usage and we have to share that with the rest of the planets biosphere.
For us to live in the pre-industrial age, yeah the quantity required is low. Our civilization currently?
Globally humans use north of 4 trillion^3m of water a year.
To put that usage into context, that would drain Lake Erie bone dry 8x over in one year or go through Lake Superior in a little over 3. Now, obviously the vast majority of that gets replenished by the glaciation, snow melt, water cycle, etc.. etc. or else we’d be long dead but that equilibrium is shockingly fragile.
Fresh water should not be treated as an abundant resource.
Only 0.5% of the planets fresh water is suitable for human usage and we have to share that with the rest of the planets biosphere.
For us to live in the pre-industrial age, yeah the quantity required is low. Our civilization currently?
Globally humans use north of 4 trillion^3m of water a year.
To put that usage into context, that would drain Lake Erie bone dry 8x over in one year or go through Lake Superior in a little over 3. Now, obviously the vast majority of that gets replenished by the glaciation, snow melt, water cycle, etc.. etc. or else we’d be long dead but that equilibrium is shockingly fragile.
Fresh water should not be treated as an abundant resource.
Fresh water is literally a renewable resource, human activities do not use it up. Its all get cycled back.
(The only way we use up some water is for hydrogen production, but it is a very small amount).
Yea was about to say this. As an engineer by background I have a hard time with sort of thing because these problems are really not very hard to solve technically. It's purely a political matter of motivating various government bodies to get the job done.
One would think that motivating the political apparatus to get infrastructure built for once will ultimately be much easier than a mass migration to other parts of the country.
Exactly. The people in here are delusional if they think the government that subsidized their oil consumption won’t pay Canada, the most freshwater abundant place in the world to send water to the SW and other water starved regions. This continent has insane amounts of freshwater and the Hudson Canal and other major pipe systems like the Chinese Great Canal were built hundreds of years ago. The technology exists its purely a matter of political will. There are so many solutions only the Midwesterners that subscribe to 1800s geographical determinism think it’s an issue.
Even they might be kidding themselves because they have access to the Big Brother engineering marvel known as the Hudson Canal but maybe they ignore the gigantic government made canal in their backyard to try to look down on Southwesterners.
Fresh water is literally a renewable resource, human activities do not use it up. Its all get cycled back.
(The only way we use up some water is for hydrogen production).
I never said it wasn’t renewable (on a global scale). Nor did I say we use it all up.
I never said it wasn’t renewable (global scale). Nor did I say we use it all up.
I said it wasn’t abundant
Its very abundant. There is enough fresh water just in New York state alone for all people living in the US, right now most of it just gets dumped into the ocean and a little is used by NYC (and we still spend more on our water infrastructure compared to CA).
Most of it is just a matter of proper water management and proper infrastructure, nothing else. California just happens to be one of the few states with very bad water infrastructure management.
Its very abundant. There is enough fresh water just in New York state alone for all people living in the US, right now most of it just gets dumped into the ocean and a little is used by NYC (and we still spend more on our water infrastructure compared to CA).
Most of it is just a matter of proper water management and proper infrastructure, nothing else. California just happens to be one of the few states with very bad water infrastructure management.
It’s “abundant” because it is self replenishing cycle not because of raw capacity. Thats a huge fundamental difference you’re failing to grasp.
It’s “abundant” because it is self replenishing cycle not because of raw capacity. Thats a huge fundamental difference you’re failing to grasp.
Its both. There is enough capacity, and it is self-replenishing.
In California, most of the water used for irrigation doesn't even make it to the fields. Since all of the canals are opened, most of it is lost to evaporation. Instead of spending ~$5-10 billion over the next 10 years to simply cover the irrigation channels and prevent evaporation loss like in any sane jurisdiction, California prefers water rationing instead. Instead of building desal plants, CA prefers to close down nuclear powerplants and have curfews and fines for residents. The shortages are by *choice*, not by some kind of scarcity of resources. The tap water that you do get is of such poor quality that it wouldn't even pass the quality control in our state. California lacks modern water treatment facilities in a lot of municipalities and upgrades are marred by red tape, lack of financing, and regulatory delays.
Even here in the Northeast, where we have fresh water out the a$$, we still have much better and long term investment in our water infrastructure. CA will never even attempt to build something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...r_Tunnel_No._3 Considering CA water issues, the state should've been way ahead of even us on this topic.
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