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I get it—I’m an Atlanta homer myself, love the city’s diversity, etc. But I think what’s happening in Orlando is exceptional. In the last 20 years, it has gone from Hispanic making up 16.5% of the population to 32% now. My 2040, it will probably be around 50% Hispanic.
Non-Hispanic Black will probably become the largest demographic group in metro Atlanta between 2030 and 2040, after making up 29% of metro Atlanta’s population in 2000.
Hispanic will probably become Orlando’s largest demographic group right at 2030, after making up just 16.5% of the population in 2000.
What kind of Asian growth is important. Its not Koreans that are causing the Asian growth in Atlanta, its Indians. In fact, Asian growth in Atlanta is extremely India heavy.
Atlanta's total Asian growth breaks down as follows. Between 2011-2021. This is Asian alone, not including Asian in combination:
Total Growth: 123,997
Indian Growth: 66,677
Chinese: 12,792
Vietnamese: 11,734
Korean: 4,489
Kinda doubt those numbers. I believe even new permanent status Koreans in metro Atlanta was greater than 4,400 in the last decade, let alone gross population growth (which includes domestic migration of Korean-Americans. It’s generally 600-800 per year just in that category.
Atlanta’s Asian community is very Korean heavy relative to most of the country. Even though they are outnumbered by Chinese, the Korean community is really visible and strong, with lots of Korean companies’ North American headquarters here.
Kinda doubt those numbers. I believe even new permanent status Koreans in metro Atlanta was greater than 4,400 in the last decade, let alone gross population growth (which includes domestic migration of Korean-Americans. It’s generally 600-800 per year just in that category.
Atlanta’s Asian community is very Korean heavy relative to most of the country. Even though they are outnumbered by Chinese, the Korean community is really visible and strong, with lots of Korean companies’ North American headquarters here.
You can’t look at two sets of numbers from the exact same source, choose to believe one and deny the other.
PS, Korean numbers across the US have dropped, not risen. Atlanta is one of the few Korean populations that rose at all.
You can’t look at two sets of numbers from the exact same source, choose to believe one and deny the other.
PS, Korean numbers across the US have dropped, not risen. Atlanta is one of the few Korean populations that rose at all.
Where did you find those numbers in the source waronxmas linked?
All I see that breaks down diversity within Asians is just 2000-2010 data in that particular source, which says that the Korean population in Atlanta MSA grew from 24,000 to 48,000 between 2000 and 2010:
Where did you find those numbers in the source waronxmas linked?
All I see that breaks down diversity within Asians is just 2000-2010 data in that particular source, which says that the Korean population in Atlanta MSA grew from 24,000 to 48,000 between 2000 and 2010:
Perhaps growth dropped from 24,000 one decade to 4,000 in the next, but pardon me for having raised eyebrows about that claim.
The numbers are all from the same place. Brown University pulls the numbers from a combination of the census figures and the ACS. Both are referenced in data.census.gov.
Korean immigration has come to a grinding halt to the US. Largely its because the gap between the standard of living in Korea vs. the US is now non-existent. It is also important to remember that the Permanent Residence numbers from the DHS handbook reflect past trends, not future trends. Most Koreans who are listed there would have been here for years. I get that isn't the case with countries like Venezuela or Cuba where the numbers operate more in real time, but Korea is a safe and stable country on the visa waiver program.
To the numbers I'm referencing, the foreign born Korean population is down on a national level. Between 2010-2020, it dropped by -49,487. The Korean American population growth doesn't even cover natural increase. It grew 22,748. To illistratate my point, below are the foreign born Korean growth numbers by metro area 2011-2021. Source is data.census.gov table number B05006.
Dallas/Fort Worth: 2,273
Atlanta: 997
Washington DC: 436
Seattle: -1,204
San Francisco: -4,918
Chicago: -6,097
New York City: -15,963
Los Angeles: -17,955
So Korean population growth isn't going to drive any city's Asian community. Not even Atlanta or DC.
I get that things can feel different. Hangul is a pretty distinctive writing system and I can see how Atlanta will certain feel more Korean than Indian (whose businesses use English more times that not). But Atlanta's Asian Growth is over 1/2 Indian. DFW's is more than 2/3 Indian. Even here in Houston, it feels WAYYYY more Chinese than Indian. But its not. There are a lot more Indians than Chinese in Houston. It just feels more Chinese because of all the signs in Chinese writing and the businesses stand out more.
What kind of Asian growth is important. Its not Koreans that are causing the Asian growth in Atlanta, its Indians. In fact, Asian growth in Atlanta is extremely India heavy.
Atlanta's total Asian growth breaks down as follows. Between 2011-2021. This is Asian alone, not including Asian in combination:
Total Growth: 123,997
Indian Growth: 66,677
Chinese: 12,792
Vietnamese: 11,734
Korean: 4,489
Are there any MSAs where Indian growth isn't #1 or #2 in Asian growth? The Indian American population seem to be growing in every part of this country.
How can you say Austin, when they've priced most of their minorities out and made it a model playground for high income/wealthy white people?
I mean, it's not like the cost of living is ever going to go back down in Austin, so you can expect more high income/wealthy white people to keep moving there and keep living there, and less and less minorities to be able to afford it.
You are reading too much into my post. All I said was that Austin will be interesting to see in 20 years.
I put Detroit....though it's actually a proxy for Ann Arbor, but maybe Pittsburgh. Wherever the innovation hotspots are though is where you'll see demographic change. When you think of how few tech employees it takes to make the kind of money it took for a place like GM you'll see these areas dominated by techies. If an area becomes a tech hub, all other industries will surrender to it. US Steel is not going to be able to outbid Facebook for talent in overlapping areas.
There really will be an impetus on how well these new locations can truly govern this growth. Local government is going to matter. Locally, I see new places like Pleasantville and San Jose doing well, while rule-bound and ineffective San Francisco starts its march to the becoming a ghetto like Oakland. Silicon Valley will still be here, it will simply shift.
Phoenix will be one to watch with all of the semiconductor industry. Atlanta and Austin are already tech centers. NYC might be the sole match for tech from her finance markets, but that dominates already.
It's really going to be important for cities to attract at least enough innovation and support it locally with schools to stay relevant. Those that don't will decline and become service centers.
For the Midwest, I'd say it's Columbus. It's slowly growing into a midwest powerhouse and it would get more diverse, would probably even start to get sizable numbers of people of all races coming from Chicago and NYC. Also, Pittsburgh would get more diversity as many hispanics, caribbeans and even asians expand into the area from NY, NJ and eastern PA. Outside of that Atlanta, Dallas, Orlando, and the Hampton roads region.
You are reading too much into my post. All I said was that Austin will be interesting to see in 20 years.
All I'm saying is, it's most likely just going to get WHITER in 20 years (and there's nothing interesting about that demographically...lol).
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