Are Maryland and Delaware part of the South or North? (living, suburbs)

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

The Northeast is Philly to Boston - Those DC "wannabe Northerners" crack me up. The way of life (and pace of life) is completely different. DC doesn't have any of that northern grittiness that's found in Philly, New York, New Haven, Boston, Hartford etc.

MD and DE are definitely southern in nature - but Baltimore does have a lot of Northern characteristics I will admit.

Wannabes?? Lol I think we know who we identify with (the ne). the pace of life is not slower than that of the rest of the NE. Its funny how people want so badly to beleive false things. No grittiness? You've never stepped foot in DC.

Originally Posted by blueva

Exactly!

The people on these boards trying soooo hard to lump DC in with the North and doing everything they can to push it further north than it is, because they cant accept it was once and still is (to a degree) a Southern city.

And they cant accept that. People move to NOVA and cant accept Virginia is a truly Southern state. So they put up a fight aboot it.

No, Southern People (you) try so hard to make MD and DC, DE too part of the South For some reason. We Are who we are, part of the Northeast. If you can't accept that, sorry, can't help you. Virginians simply can't accept the cultural differences between the two parts of the state also you know

Originally Posted by Spade

Hardly anyone in the South would consider Maryland or DC the south. They definitely will not consider DE the south. DC doesn't have the northern grittiness like in Philly, New York, New Haven, etc.? Are you talking about the District of Columbia. Basically, if you was to ask most people up here what region they are in, they will tell you mid-atlantic.

Exactly! And yes, i live in the mid-atlantic region, a sub-region of the North East

Originally Posted by blueva

The Mid-Atlantic is not the Northeast, though.

It is though

Originally Posted by SuperMario

yes it is.

mhm

Originally Posted by blueva

No, it isnt. By defintion the middle of something is not the North. Its not the Deep South either. But its not the Northeast. Im beggining to wonder if you're just trying to be contrary.

All you do in these arguments is bring up geography, we are not talking about geography! we are talking about culture.

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Agreed, even though your agenda annoys me just a bit.

Ask anyone in the *true* north. DC usually is not considered that. Maybe some up north would disagree, but anyone I've spoken to would laugh if NoVA/DC/MD were considered the Northeast.

Just because it has a high population density and traffic, does not mean it's part of the northeast. No way, no how.

Its not just the urban design of the city, its basically everything. You should come visit sometime

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

The Northeast is Philly to Boston - Those DC "wannabe Northerners" crack me up. The way of life (and pace of life) is completely different. DC doesn't have any of that northern grittiness that's found in Philly, New York, New Haven, Boston, Hartford etc.

MD and DE are definitely southern in nature - but Baltimore does have a lot of Northern characteristics I will admit.

You know what else cracks me up? When people from Philly to Boston try to exclude places like Pittsburgh, Baltimore and DC from the Northeast. If it's by "northern grittiness" that defines the Northeast, then how can you exclude Pittsburgh with all its Italians and row houses? Yet, it seems to be an elitist and arrogant mentality that these places are excluded.

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by Billiam

Its not just the urban design of the city, its basically everything. You should come visit sometime

But, you just said that it is about culture. If it is about everything than DC/Balto isn't Northeast, because of demographics...those cities are mostly German-Irish (like the Midwest), while the most of the Northeast is predominantly Italian-Irish. Not to mention the history below the Mason-Dixon line.

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by ainulinale

But, you just said that it is about culture. If it is about everything than DC/Balto isn't Northeast, because of demographics...those cities are mostly German-Irish (like the Midwest), while the most of the Northeast is predominantly Italian-Irish.

That's why i said basically, because there are slight differences. Wait, so DC and Baltimore are mostly German? hm...white isn't even the prodominate race now is it. So after you talked about other NE'ers excluding cities like Pittsburgh, Bmore and DC, you are going to try and say Pittsburgh is NE and exclude Bmore/DC from the NE? wow. History is just that..History! If everything was the same than there wouldn't be much history. Things are Very changed

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by Billiam

Wannabes?? Lol I think we know who we identify with (the ne). the pace of life is not slower than that of the rest of the NE. Its funny how people want so badly to beleive false things. No grittiness? You've never stepped foot in DC.

I'm so glad you know every move I've made in my 26 years.

I lived in Alexandria for quite awhile (I think 18 mos+-?). The grittiness there is different than the grittiness even in Baltimore. It's more city-like, more dense, less "planned" if you will. People in the DC area (non-transplants) talk slower, drive slower, are more relaxed. Yes, that's changing, but face it - it's not that fast paced. I'm sorry this offends you.

DC...the gateway city to the South.

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

I'm so glad you know every move I've made in my 26 years.

I lived in Alexandria for quite awhile (I think 18 mos+-?). The grittiness there is different than the grittiness even in Baltimore. It's more city-like, more dense, less "planned" if you will. People in the DC area (non-transplants) talk slower, drive slower, are more relaxed. Yes, that's changing, but face it - it's not that fast paced. I'm sorry this offends you.

DC...the gateway city to the South.

it doesn't offend me, its just something we call thinking differently. Wow we've had different DC experiences, very different actually.

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by Billiam

That's why i said basically, because there are slight differences. Wait, so DC and Baltimore are mostly German? hm...white isn't even the prodominate race now is it. So after you talked about other NE'ers excluding cities like Pittsburgh, Bmore and DC, you are going to try and say Pittsburgh is NE and exclude Bmore/DC from the NE? wow.

Do you just try and be an irritant? I'm not excluding DC Bmore or Pittsburgh from the Northeast. I was simply addressing your strange reasoning. Mostly German when it comes to white people...I thought this would be obvious considering that fact that most cities have a lot of blacks and metro areas have a lot of whites.

[blueva]

Originally Posted by Billiam

That's why i said basically, because there are slight differences. Wait, so DC and Baltimore are mostly German? hm...white isn't even the prodominate race now is it. So after you talked about other NE'ers excluding cities like Pittsburgh, Bmore and DC, you are going to try and say Pittsburgh is NE and exclude Bmore/DC from the NE? wow. History is just that..History! If everything was the same than there wouldn't be much history. Things are Very changed

How is the Mid-Atlantic a sub region of the Northeast and not the South?
NC is sometimes included in the Mid-Atlantic zone too. Are you saying NC is NE too? And even SC has been in the Mid-Atlantic (banking zone)

Also, you are wrong about Southrons wanting to include DC as part of the South. Many see it as North now.But I see it as South because I grew up near there and KNOW more about the area.

When they are "selling the South" - they will include DE and MD as part of the picture- but to me MD and DE are BORDER STATES. They are not truly Northeastern states.

I have been up Nawth. Do you think DC is like Buffalo, NY? LOL.

I dont want to be rude about it though. That would be un-Southern.

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Yes, that's changing, but face it - it's not that fast paced. I'm sorry this offends you.

DC...the gateway city to the South.

Go to Dallas, Miami and LA and see how fast-paced life can be down there. It's not simply a characteristic of the East, but a characteristic of large cities.

[blueva]

Originally Posted by Billiam

it doesn't offend me, its just something we call thinking differently. Wow we've had different DC experiences, very different actually.

Are you talking about DC the City? or the entire Metro Area?


Alexandria , VA would not be DC, though. If we talk about DC including "NOVA" then thats something a little different.

NOVA is not Northeast, IMO. Never will be. No matter how transient it gets.