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This issue was thoroughly discussed a while back. Pittsburgh is part of the NE. For one thing, the midwesterners don't want it.
Yes, Pittsburgh is over the Ohio-Pennsylvania border, which is indisputable for historical and cultural reasons. When you consider the South comes within 100 miles of Canada at the northern tip of West Virginia, the "North" comes to a bottleneck at this point so as far east as it is, Ohio and Pennsylvania's border defines the east/central US boundary.
Ohio is in the Midwest, but of course Cleveland is still more like Pittsburgh than it is like Bismarck. It's also in the Great Lakes region that would include western New York, western Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin and a bit of Minnesota.
I read an article about Missouri recently written. Most people I think would agree that Missouri is a state with a Southern tinge that is outweighed by its Midwestern heritage. I think grouping the Southern half of Missouri in with the South is quite unreasonable, especially when not even Joplin and Springfield can easily fit in with the South and people there don't identify as Southerners. I think the more reasonable line to draw for the south would be roughly the 36 or 37 degree latitude line across Missouri.
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I read an article about Missouri recently written. Most people I think would agree that Missouri is a state with a Southern tinge that is outweighed by its Midwestern heritage. I think grouping the Southern half of Missouri in with the South is quite unreasonable, especially when not even Joplin and Springfield can easily fit in with the South and people there don't identify as Southerners. I think the more reasonable line to draw for the south would be roughly the 36 or 37 degree latitude line across Missouri.
Weren't the Beverly Hillbillies from southern MO? They used to mention Joplin and Branson from time to time.
Weren't the Beverly Hillbillies from southern MO? They used to mention Joplin and Branson from time to time.
Branson, I believe, but that is right on the Arkansas border and below the line I proposed. In addition, my father grew up in Joplin and says the Beverly Hillbillies were not even close to being representative of the people he grew up around. And I have visited Joplin and Springfield myself several times...the Beverly Hillbillies are not very representative of the people that live there. Most people in this region are not laid back and are honest and hard-working people. Not to mention, they don't really speak with any kind of a Southern accent. Branson is much more Southern than either Springfield or Joplin...it has more in common with Arkansas than with Missouri.
I never went to school here in the US but I have to ask. Don't the school teach you which states are southern, mid western, northern etc? OR ..is this just a matter of your own opinion? Because if that's the case it is no point debating about it. It would be like debating what taste better, Coca Cola or Pepsi?
I live in Memphis, TN. As far as I know Memphis is in the South. But according to a friend of mine it is not the south. So who knows whats right anyways?
^ There is certainly some level of objectivity in these debates and there is also a degree of subjectivity. If the question was purely objective, then there wouldn't be much of a debate. If it was purely subjective it would be a pointless shouting match.
I never went to school here in the US but I have to ask. Don't the school teach you which states are southern, mid western, northern etc? OR ..is this just a matter of your own opinion? Because if that's the case it is no point debating about it. It would be like debating what taste better, Coca Cola or Pepsi?
I live in Memphis, TN. As far as I know Memphis is in the South. But according to a friend of mine it is not the south. So who knows whats right anyways?
Memphis is absolutely in the South. There is no debating that. People can say it isn't in the South, but its history, culture, weather, everything about it is Southern. There is nothing about it that is not Southern.
The other thing I will mention is that hillbillies and hicks are not just confined to the South. You will find them virtually in all of Appalachia including Upstate New York as well as all of the Ozarks. But in my opinion, hillbillies and "hicks" are generally what are considered country by most people. I also think that many people would agree that most of the Great Plains can be considered country as well...these are farms in the middle of nowhere, so these people are relatively isolated from urban areas...Texas, Oklahoma, and also Kansas and even Nebraska would fit into this profile reasonably well.
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