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Old 04-24-2020, 04:50 PM
 
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You have a certain point here. The past is the past. However, it is the study of history. And -- at least IMHO - the greatest roadmap to the future is what happened in the past. I appreciate that you say the South today should not feel guilty over slavery. Especially, since the institution has existed from the dawn of time and practiced all over the world and by every race/ethnic group, and upon all of the other. Africans sold their own into slavery, and there were -- proportionally speaking -- many black slave-owners in the cotton South. And, of course, that the American slave trade was a purely northern commodity.
Not buying what the Africans were selling could have worked, especially since white Americans have always been capable of working their own fields and building their own houses.

And Africans were wrong - certainly are not embraced for selling their own of people - just as whites are wrong for taxing their own just to give to another race of people. Profiteers never learn.
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Old 04-24-2020, 11:39 PM
 
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Wholly Southern:
Georgia
Alabama
Mississippi
Louisiana
Arkansas
Tennessee
Kentucky
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virginia

Partially Southern (some parts of State feel Southern, but other parts do not at all):
Florida
Texas
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Maryland

Noticeable Southern influence (small pockets of Southern-ish culture):
Missouri
Illinois
Indiana
Ohio
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:44 AM
 
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Wholly Southern:
Georgia
Alabama
Mississippi
Louisiana
Arkansas
Tennessee
Kentucky
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virginia

Partially Southern (some parts of State feel Southern, but other parts do not at all):
Florida
Texas
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Maryland

Noticeable Southern influence (small pockets of Southern-ish culture):
Missouri
Illinois
Indiana
Ohio
Surprised you put Virginia in the "Wholly Southern" category.
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Old 04-25-2020, 06:01 AM
 
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Surprised you put Virginia in the "Wholly Southern" category.
It held the capital of the Confederacy. Historical associations are part of my analysis. Only the D.C. Suburbs feel "not Southern" to me.
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:22 PM
 
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It held the capital of the Confederacy. Historical associations are part of my analysis. Only the D.C. Suburbs feel "not Southern" to me.
The DC suburbs is the biggest metropolitan area in the state, containing a nice chunk of the state's population. Even the capital of the Confederacy, Richmond, doesn't feel as Southern as many other cities in the region. That sounds like enough reason to put it in the "Partially Southern" category.
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:27 PM
 
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The DC suburbs is the biggest metropolitan area in the state, containing a nice chunk of the state's population. Even the capital of the Confederacy, Richmond, doesn't feel as Southern as many other cities in the region. That sounds like enough reason to put it in the "Partially Southern" category.
Agree with you. The largest chunk by economics and population live in an area that is nothing like the South but I could see how someone not familiar with the area would just lump it all in with the South. You dont even start to hear Southern accents until you hit Fredericksburg. Even VA politics are changing fast.
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Old 04-25-2020, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Agree with you. The largest chunk by economics and population live in an area that is nothing like the South but I could see how someone not familiar with the area would just lump it all in with the South. You dont even start to hear Southern accents until you hit Fredericksburg. Even VA politics are changing fast.
These type threads are always confusing because some people emphasize the historical aspects of the south and others do not. Furthermore, it depends on your age as to how you perceive things. 50 years ago NOVA and DC were much more southern than they are now. As were many of the other major metros of the south.

I think younger people would be kind of shocked if they could go back in time and see how much places like the DMV, Atlanta, Nashville and South Florida have changed since say...... 1965.
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Old 04-25-2020, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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If your state both allowed slavery and seceded from the union, its Southern. I don't care how international you've become or how many tech companies are setting up shop in your state. Slavery + secession = The South.
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Old 04-25-2020, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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If your state both allowed slavery and seceded from the union, its Southern. I don't care how international you've become or how many tech companies are setting up shop in your state. Slavery + secession = The South.
That would make Missouri a southern state. I think most would agree though it's a Midwestern state with southern tendencies.
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Old 04-25-2020, 02:29 PM
 
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If your state both allowed slavery and seceded from the union, its Southern. I don't care how international you've become or how many tech companies are setting up shop in your state. Slavery + secession = The South.
Close but you're certainly forgetting about Reconstruction and Jim Crow laws as a requirement. Slavery+secession+reconstruction+Jim Crow laws=The South (or a way to gauge it at least).
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