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Remember the good old days when the suburbs were a place you would move to to escape bad schools, crime, grime and urban density? Well those days are gone.
It seems like the suburbs have more urban density, less trees, more crime, poorer schools and more ethnic diversity than the inner cities.
Is there any old fashioned suburbs any more and where are they?
You're generalizing way too much, plenty of suburbs are still the typical safe, family friendly suburbs while many have also declined to be just as bad as inner cities. Not all suburbs are the same.
I can't relate to the first part because this isn't the case here. If you are looking for old fashioned suburbs, try moving to metro areas with horrible inner cities (like here, for example). I think Birmingham has less diverse suburbs than Jackson, though.
I think it depends on where you live too. Even the more rough looking or blue collar suburbs in my area are still mostly White and even if they are "diverse", it's not even questionable that they are mostly White.
Also, I think what another poster said is true in terms of some suburbs being more affordable that many urban neighborhoods.
The reasons are going to vary city-by-city. There is no one answer, and some cities do not experience this problem.
In Atlanta for instance, a few years ago they started tearing down the public housing "projects" in the inner city to make way for "mixed use developments". These developments only have a small section reserved for what they call "affordable housing" - the rest are higher-dollar properties and retail spaces.
Well - the thousands of people (literally) who lived in the old projects didn't just disappear. They were given special vouchers and program assistance so they could rent homes or apartments anywhere in the metro area where they could find a place that accepted the vouchers. Section 8, etc etc.. Hence, in the past the lower-income and what some would call "bad" neighborhoods that were once condensed into small areas intown, now are spread out throughout the metro area.
So some suburbs here such as Duluth, Stone Mountain, Jonesboro... area which years ago were actually once sought out by new residents, are now acquiring a number of people using vouchers to rent homes/apartments. Unfortunately, many of these lower income households are single parent homes (mother only) with no father, and many times with several kids and/or teens in tow, who may have a habit of finding trouble where they live. Hence, crime goes up, values go down, and entire suburbs shift.
There is a distinct difference between low income and low class - I've known plenty of lower income people who had lots of class (and high income people with low class). But here at least, when large concentrations of the lower income "vouchered" take up residence in a particular suburb, it does seem to be having a negative impact. And remember that on top of this, some cities like Atlanta have also seen a huge increase in the number of illegal immigrants taking residence here - and most of the time they will seek out home rentals in the suburbs where a number of them can share one house.
But again, that is Atlanta. Some other places will have similar stories, while others will not.
The reasons are going to vary city-by-city. There is no one answer, and some cities do not experience this problem.
In Atlanta for instance, a few years ago they started tearing down the public housing "projects" in the inner city to make way for "mixed use developments". These developments only have a small section reserved for what they call "affordable housing" - the rest are higher-dollar properties and retail spaces.
Well - the thousands of people (literally) who lived in the old projects didn't just disappear. They were given special vouchers and program assistance so they could rent homes or apartments anywhere in the metro area where they could find a place that accepted the vouchers. Section 8, etc etc.. Hence, in the past the lower-income and what some would call "bad" neighborhoods that were once condensed into small areas intown, now are spread out throughout the metro area.
So some suburbs here such as Duluth, Stone Mountain, Jonesboro... area which years ago were actually once sought out by new residents, are now acquiring a number of people using vouchers to rent homes/apartments. Unfortunately, many of these lower income households are single parent homes (mother only) with no father, and many times with several kids and/or teens in tow, who may have a habit of finding trouble where they live. Hence, crime goes up, values go down, and entire suburbs shift.
There is a distinct difference between low income and low class - I've known plenty of lower income people who had lots of class (and high income people with low class). But here at least, when large concentrations of the lower income "vouchered" take up residence in a particular suburb, it does seem to be having a negative impact. And remember that on top of this, some cities like Atlanta have also seen a huge increase in the number of illegal immigrants taking residence here - and most of the time they will seek out home rentals in the suburbs where a number of them can share one house.
But again, that is Atlanta. Some other places will have similar stories, while others will not.
Yes, I think many cities are razing the old public housing in favor of mixed-income developments...which doesn't account for all of the displaced tenants. I'm sure there are many cases of this same phenomenon - the poor have to live somewhere, and I think the concensus is that we don't want them on the streets of downtown.
Remember the good old days when the suburbs were a place you would move to to escape bad schools, crime, grime and urban density? Well those days are gone.
It seems like the suburbs have more urban density, less trees, more crime, poorer schools and more ethnic diversity than the inner cities.
Is there any old fashioned suburbs any more and where are they?
You are trippin if you think the suburbs are more dense, more crime, poorer schools, and more diverse. Where do you come up with this nonsense?
You are trippin if you think the suburbs are more dense, more crime, poorer schools, and more diverse. Where do you come up with this nonsense?
its not non sense, it vary's for cities, in miami its true. many of its southern suburbs, and all of north have bad schools, high crime and poverty.
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