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I agree 30 isn't cold... probably 15F and beyond then it starts feeling cold ...which is pretty normal at night for a lot of the north in winter. This isn't even mentioning wind chill. These are the temperature ranges where I *prepared* to go outside... 30, just jeans and a coat, no big deal. I don't really like it but the difference between 30 and 0 is major. Every winter in Chicago I forgot just how COLD it could get and the actual feeling when it dropped below 0.
I agree 30 isn't cold... probably 15F and beyond then it starts feeling cold ...which is pretty normal at night for a lot of the north in winter. This isn't even mentioning wind chill. These are the temperature ranges where I *prepared* to go outside... 30, just jeans and a coat, no big deal. I don't really like it but the difference between 30 and 0 is major. Every winter in Chicago I forgot just how COLD it could get and the actual feeling when it dropped below 0.
The fact that you threw on a coat shows it's cold. I dare you to walk out in tank top and shorts with flip flops in 30 degree weather.
I love the cold so it might not be cold to me, but anything below freezing I really think should be considered cold if the word "cold" is to have any meaning. Maybe it's not "very cold", but cold.
To be honest I think even the high 30s can certainly be cold if it's sufficiently windy. Some of the Southern cities the person listed go well below freezing. Maybe that's not "Upstate New York" or "Minnesota" cold, but it's cold for much of the "North."
I love the cold so it might not be cold to me, but anything below freezing I really think should be considered cold if the word "cold" is to have any meaning. Maybe it's not "very cold", but cold.
To be honest I think even the high 30s can certainly be cold if it's sufficiently windy. Some of the Southern cities the person listed go well below freezing. Maybe that's not "Upstate New York" or "Minnesota" cold, but it's cold for much of the "North."
Agreed. I can see how 30s can be perfect for some people, but 30 is still considered cold. The one thing that makes it insufferable is the wind chill. I consider 80s and up hot. Sometimes 70s depending on the humidity. Even though this like nearly perfect weather to me.
San Francisco and all those bay breezes, especially at night, can definitely feel "cold" even when the temperature is well above 30. No it's not bone chilling Chicago-style frigid, but still quite chilly.
The fact that you threw on a coat shows it's cold. I dare you to walk out in tank top and shorts with flip flops in 30 degree weather.
Actually I've done that many times, in FL all the time to go get the newspaper in winter. Yes it is 30 in the morning in N. FL. Now staying out there for awhile, that is another story, just running outside, not a big deal. I'm just trying to say just as much as there a difference between 70 and 110 heat index, it gets just as bad on the cold side of the spectrum, from 30 to below 0.
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