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I would agree that East Texas and the Florida Panhandle are part of the Deep South. I said "sometimes" because often people don't include sub-regions in this category, and certainly, as you said, the entire states of Texas and Florida can't be considered Deep South (or even Southern at all, in the case of places such as El Paso and Miami)
Just a note of mention on the "Deep South" which comes from the book by Dr. John Shelton Reed, "1001 Things Everyone Should Know About the South". Here is his own analysis of the sub-region:
The Deep South is roughly coextensive the with old cotton belt, a long arc stretching from eastern North Carolina through South Carolina and west into East Texas, with extensions north and south all along the Mississippi (River). This area can still be definined by locating rural counties with populations more than 25% black. South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana are commonly considered the Deep South states, although some parts of these states don't meet the criteria, and parts of adjoining states do. Many things thought of as Southern, from alligators, and Spanish moss, to peculiar voting patterns in 1948 and 1964 are found in their most concentrated form (sometimes only) here.
Personally, I pretty much agree (and you and AlGreen kinda say as much). with that definition. In terms of whole states, the 5 listed. In terms of parts and pieces? I don't know much about eastern NC (but don't doubt its "membership). but definitely East Texas, the Florida panhandle, and delta areas of Arkansas and Tennessee.
Just a note of mention on the "Deep South" which comes from the book by Dr. John Shelton Reed, "1001 Things Everyone Should Know About the South". Here is his own analysis of the sub-region:
The Deep South is roughly coextensive the with old cotton belt, a long arc stretching from eastern North Carolina through South Carolina and west into East Texas, with extensions north and south all along the Mississippi (River). This area can still be definined by locating rural counties with populations more than 25% black. South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana are commonly considered the Deep South states, although some parts of these states don't meet the criteria, and parts of adjoining states do. Many things thought of as Southern, from alligators, and Spanish moss, to peculiar voting patterns in 1948 and 1964 are found in their most concentrated form (sometimes only) here.
Personally, I pretty much agree (and you and AlGreen kinda say as much). with that definition. In terms of whole states, the 5 listed. In terms of parts and pieces? I don't know much about eastern NC (but don't doubt its "membership). but definitely East Texas, the Florida panhandle, and delta areas of Arkansas and Tennessee.
I'm not sure about eastern North Carolina either, but I imagine it once would of rung more true. Now with all the transplants coming down to the areas around the Outer Banks and the coast, its debatable.
I don't know what the big deal is. Defining "southern"based on pre-concieved notions and stereotypes of of ignorant, uneducated, super conservative, and slap-jawed inhabitants or rural areas that can found anywhere in the country and using it as a census guideline is one of the dumbest thing I've ever heard. People not from the south who do this need to get their heads out of their asses get over themselves. You are worse then anything you think a typical southerner is.
Just a note of mention on the "Deep South" which comes from the book by Dr. John Shelton Reed, "1001 Things Everyone Should Know About the South". Here is his own analysis of the sub-region:
The Deep South is roughly coextensive the with old cotton belt, a long arc stretching from eastern North Carolina through South Carolina and west into East Texas, with extensions north and south all along the Mississippi (River). This area can still be definined by locating rural counties with populations more than 25% black. South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana are commonly considered the Deep South states, although some parts of these states don't meet the criteria, and parts of adjoining states do. Many things thought of as Southern, from alligators, and Spanish moss, to peculiar voting patterns in 1948 and 1964 are found in their most concentrated form (sometimes only) here.
Personally, I pretty much agree (and you and AlGreen kinda say as much). with that definition. In terms of whole states, the 5 listed. In terms of parts and pieces? I don't know much about eastern NC (but don't doubt its "membership). but definitely East Texas, the Florida panhandle, and delta areas of Arkansas and Tennessee.
I live in the northern metro Atlanta suburbs, and it doesn't feel "deep south", culturally speaking. I'd say the same for points northward which become Appalachian in nature, culturally speaking. Most of the "Deep South" doesn't really begin until you get to locations south or due east of the metro Atlanta area. Most of North Georgia can either be classified as Appalachian (locales north of metro Atlanta), or Piedmont (locations within metro Atlanta, and bordering I-85)
I realize that Piedmont is a physiographic region, but there is also a culture that goes along with it, to an extent.
There's nothing wrong with "Deep South", but I don't think that it fits most of north Georgia, given the descent of the Appalachians into north Georgia, unlike, along with the Piedmont. Racially, these areas also do not have a high black population, unlike locales you'd normally associate with "deep south".
I'm not sure about eastern North Carolina either, but I imagine it once would of rung more true. Now with all the transplants coming down to the areas around the Outer Banks and the coast, its debatable.
Minus areas on the immediate coast, eastern North Carolina is culturally "Deep South". However, northern Georgia, though farther south in some locations, doesn't really fit the description of "deep south".
I'm not sure about eastern North Carolina either, but I imagine it once would of rung more true. Now with all the transplants coming down to the areas around the Outer Banks and the coast, its debatable.
I think people probably think that because they believe "San Antonio" is a Spanish name and that the town was founded by Spanish or Mexicans. And on that people are right. It does have a strong Mexican/Spanish history. (The presence of cotton doesn't necessarily say anything on that as cotton isn't a race or culture, Egyptians of the same period were also big in cotton and Egypt is not in the US South) Still from the 1843 to 1980 their mayors weren't Hispanic so I guess there was a long period of Anglo dominance.
The 1930 census in SA was 62% Anglo and 30% Hispanic by 1970 it was 51% Hispanic and and 41% Anglo. I had no idea that heavy cotton production was that close to SA and Bexar County or south central Tx.
The majority of these two states in bold are not deep south.
I consider Texas & Florida as a whole part of the deep south simply, because it is. Granted it doesn't have the image that some of the southern states have like Alabama and Mississippi, but I still group it with them though.
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