Gubernatorial Race 2018 (sale, real estate, mortgages)

[JPD]

Originally Posted by LTCM

The really funny thing about that statement is the Democrat party is the one who has swung so far out of mainstream. Hell, Obama and Bill Clinton are getting laughed out of the far left these days.

You know the far left is not the same thing as the democratic party, right?

If not, that says a lot.

[seussie]

It felt good voting and seeing the tally so far today in just one library. People were smiling at each other, hopeful yet steady, planning watch nights for Abrams.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by LTCM

Man, the vote manipulation claims are coming out already. I swear the far left Democrat party is ungovernable unless they get whatever they want. This whole voter suppression hoax had been the most overplayed item in the past 20 to 30 years.

A lot of those citizens with these legitimate concerns that you dismiss as "Far Left Democrats" are in fact, not...myself included. I, in fact, self-identify as a Libertarian who has voted Republican in many past elections. It is also my opinion that anyone that doesn't raise concerns about potential vote manipulation in this election is either harboring a clear agenda or is simply a fool.

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Yeah, they probably would be laughed out of far left circles for being too moderate. But they are still the most recent major candidates for Dems. I still get in plenty of arguments with people on the far left who think socialist / communist / government run economy is a good idea. But on the whole Dems have shifted right in recent decades and become the party of things like free trade (which both Obama and Clinton are strong on and Trump is weak). So, as someone that leans libertarian I find myself voting far more Dem than GOP these days. If the Dem party really does go far left in the coming years I will vote accordingly, but for now I want enough of a democracy left to make that choice. And that means ending this radical GOP one-party control of power at all levels of government despite not even having a plurality of voters on a national scale.

Very well said, jsvh. I think there are more of us like you out here than folks realize.

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by LTCM

Man, the vote manipulation claims are coming out already. I swear the far left Democrat party is ungovernable unless they get whatever they want. This whole voter suppression hoax had been the most overplayed item in the past 20 to 30 years.

You know it is a hoax, how?

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by ronricks

I had already covered it in a previous post one page earlier and had already stated that Obama didn't understand or didn't want to spur real growth that didn't involve government spending. You spur economic growth with actual economic policy for the private sector. Not spending public sector money. He wasn't posting anything I didn't know. Which is why I asked him the question because that is the only way Obama tried to do anything by spending tax dollars or Federally printed money. They guy was awful for GDP, for jobs, and for the economy. Why people won't admit it is hilarious. Obama did plenty of good things. Just not the economy.

I generally respect many of your positions, regardless of how you may state them. This one, I think you are off base. Yes, President Obama, along with the Fed and Treasury, essentially saved the economy by bailing out some really big companies (as well as other esoteric but hugely important financial moves). President Trump has not saved the economy - it was already saved. However, he spent federal money (and continues to do so) via very large corporate tax cuts. There is no difference at the end of the day. President Trump has made the relatively wealthy wealthier. President Obama and his administration saved us from a depression. As you will see over the coming years, President Obama's economic policies will prove to have been far wiser than President Trump's "trickle down" economic policies, which were debunked decades ago.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

You wanna try your comment again, this time with facts?

Do you want to try and pick another meme? Obama never had 3.5 annual GDP. Your meme is worthless based on that alone that they must have cherrypicked some random quarter in his tenure to try and make it look good.

That isn’t how it works. Try again though. Also the President has nothing to do with the Dow.

Consumer confidence is at 138 right now. Trump gets credit for that right?

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Do you want to try and pick another meme? Obama never had 3.5 annual GDP. Your meme is worthless based on that alone that they must have cherrypicked some random quarter in his tenure to try and make it look good.

That isn’t how it works. Try again though. Also the President has nothing to do with the Dow.

Consumer confidence is at 138 right now. Trump gets credit for that right?

The president has very little to do with GDP and the typical business cycle either.

Obama came into office with an economy on the downswing. Trump came in with it on the upswing. It's simple logic that Trump would likely get a better overall outcome, assuming he does nothing major to **** it up.

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by JPD

You know the far left is not the same thing as the democratic party, right?

If not, that says a lot.

For a lot of these people anything outside the echo chamber is far left to them.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by atltechdude

The president has very little to do with GDP and the typical business cycle either.

Obama came into office with an economy on the downswing. Trump came in with it on the upswing. It's simple logic that Trump would likely get a better overall outcome, assuming he does nothing major to **** it up.

We were told the economy and the Dow were going to crash and plunge the day after Trump was elected. Didn’t happen. Keep hearing about him ******* things up. Hasn’t happened. He got rid of senseless regulation got rid of red tape that was bad for business and the American economy and cut both income and corporate taxes. Obama could have done any of these things but didn’t. He instead chose a different path of pointless ‘stimulus’ the fed printing more money and pointless bailouts that only benefited the wealthy elite because he didn’t understand how to stimulate the economy without government spending. Not sure what is left to discuss really.