Gubernatorial Race 2018 (Washington, White, Between: estimates, long-term, percentage)

[bu2]

Originally Posted by DreamerD

I don't believe Pres. Obama should receive that amount of blame for the decrease in consumer spending. You had people getting loans they had no business getting/being granted. People were near to or maxed out on credit cards, etc. It was a bubble waiting to burst. People were living beyond their means and could no longer do so...not Pres. Obama's fault.

No, not his fault at all that it happened. But he made a bad situation worse.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by DreamerD

It's really both sides that are screwing the country over. I try not to make it a republican or democrat thing because it doesn't help us to have a democracy versus a plutocracy.



But in order for them to do that, wouldn't they have had to deregulate? As for the Community Reinvestment Act, I will have to look that up. All I know is before the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, banks couldn't behave like it was the Wild Wild West and take on however much risk they feel.

CRA had good intentions. They were trying to stop things like red-lining neighborhoods. But like almost always with government getting involved with good intentions, there are unintended consequences since politicians usually don't understand business. The effect of it was that banks were pretty much forced to make loans in low income neighborhoods, which meant lending to people who had no business tying their money up in a mortgage. As long as prices went up, everyone made money. But when they got over-priced and the inevitable drop came, it was a disaster for the individuals and the banks.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by DreamerD

And the funny thing is that it's always these same people telling those who are far less fortunate to, "Pull themselves up by the bootstraps" when they never had to.

Abrams is pulling a little of that with her comments today. "People in Georgia shouldn't have to go into agriculture or hospitality to make a living." People in agriculture are pretty annoyed with that comment. https://www.allongeorgia.com/georgia...make-a-living/

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by CaliDreaming01

I think it will hurt Dems more because the ballots they are tossing are much more likely to be from minority voters. Abrams made a huge push on the absentee ballot front with her base, resulting in twice the number of paper absentee ballots being cast.



I agree with you on the Senate. It looks like the GOP will keep the majority in the Senate. But as a card carrying member of the progressive left (or far left/socialist left/whatever you want to call it), I am shedding no tears over seeing folks like McCaskill and Heitkamp go. even though I recognize the advantages of having the majority. I would be especially happy if Manchin got voted out. Might be cutting off my nose to spite my face but I can't help it.

Those conservative Democrats you dislike are the only type that can win in very red States like WV or ND. They have all provided crucial votes such as preventing Obamacare from being removed, and they are a vote for majority leader that controls committee assignments. Liberals always demand these purity tests instead of being logical, which is why Republicans always fall in line and get what they want. A liberal isn't going to replace Manchin anytime soon, it will be a republican if he were to lose his primary.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by bu2

Abrams is pulling a little of that with her comments today. "People in Georgia shouldn't have to go into agriculture or hospitality to make a living." People in agriculture are pretty annoyed with that comment. https://www.allongeorgia.com/georgia...make-a-living/

We all know exactly what she meant, that the economy should be more diverse and there should be more options for people. I love how Republicans say the most outrageous offensive things and call Democrats "PC snowflakes" when they call them out, but clutch their pearls over comments they know they are deliberately misconstruing.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by Forhall

Those conservative Democrats you dislike are the only type that can win in very red States like WV or ND. They have all provided crucial votes such as preventing Obamacare from being removed, and they are a vote for majority leader that controls committee assignments. Liberals always demand these purity tests instead of being logical, which is why Republicans always fall in line and get what they want. A liberal isn't going to replace Manchin anytime soon, it will be a republican if he were to lose his primary.

Ever heard of the Freedom Caucus? The feel free to cut off your nose to spite your face Caucus? Both parties have that issue.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by Forhall

We all know exactly what she meant, that the economy should be more diverse and there should be more options for people. I love how Republicans say the most outrageous offensive things and call Democrats "PC snowflakes" when they call them out, but clutch their pearls over comments they know they are deliberately misconstruing.

I don't know anybody who goes into agriculture because they "have to." Nobody does that unless they want to. Its hard work. So it was very disrespectful to the people in agriculture and indicated a lack of knowledge on a very important part of the Georgia economy. Its not as bad as Hillary promising to throw a bunch of coal miners out of work, but its along the same lines.

Note that her campaign doesn't really address the issue in her response. She talks about hospitality.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by bu2

No, not his fault at all that it happened. But he made a bad situation worse.

To be honest, I really don't remember him doing that. This is something I'd have to research but I do remember him having to remind people...look...don't blame me for this recession because it was here before I got elected. I remember the economy being in a really bad state in 2008 and it went into 2009 and 2010 before things started to look a little better (I'm thinking of the unemployment rate right now). Perhaps there was a lot of pressure for him to constantly remind people because they were constantly blaming him for every little thing and just in his face every step he took while you have trump who can make all these racists comments and basically say it's okay to sexually assault a woman and be elected president.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by bu2

CRA had good intentions. They were trying to stop things like red-lining neighborhoods. But like almost always with government getting involved with good intentions, there are unintended consequences since politicians usually don't understand business. The effect of it was that banks were pretty much forced to make loans in low income neighborhoods, which meant lending to people who had no business tying their money up in a mortgage. As long as prices went up, everyone made money. But when they got over-priced and the inevitable drop came, it was a disaster for the individuals and the banks.

Okay so assuming that this is what happened because I was far too young to remember, this problem should have been nipped in the bud before it got so big. That recession didn't just happen...it was allowed to happen.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by bu2

Abrams is pulling a little of that with her comments today. "People in Georgia shouldn't have to go into agriculture or hospitality to make a living." People in agriculture are pretty annoyed with that comment. https://www.allongeorgia.com/georgia...make-a-living/

I'm not sure why Abrams would say what she said about agriculture as most people don't even consider agriculture as a career...kinda confused on that. Same with hospitality...not sure why those two were chosen as examples...I'd have to read her entire speech to see the point she was trying to get across.