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View Poll Results: Abrams or Kemp?
Abrams 88 61.97%
Kemp 54 38.03%
Voters: 142. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-17-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/o...rnor-debt.html

"This line of attack throws a pernicious political dynamic into high relief. The financial problems of poor and middle-class people are treated as moral failings, while rich people’s debt is either ignored or spun as a sign of intrepid entrepreneurialism.
Also from the article:
"Then there’s Kemp, Abrams’s opponent, a multimillionaire who is being sued for allegedly failing to repay a $500,000 loan used to buy supplies for an agricultural company he invested in."

In before people saying "NYTIMES IS FAKE NEWS"
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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Yeah, and pay back your debts, Kemp.
Indeed. According to this report, Mr. Kemp's net worth exceeds $5,000,000, but he doesn't pay the $500,000 he owes on a guarantee that is due and payable. Come on, RonRicks, you simply cannot pick on Ms. Abrahms without also discussing Mr. Kemp's predicament.

The candidates for governor are mostly wealthy | Local News | timesenterprise.com
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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Just to keep things fair and balanced , Kemp has told the county to abandon this proposal.

https://politics.myajc.com/blog/poli...9fVUdxIOOcwEN/
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:09 AM
 
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Indeed. According to this report, Mr. Kemp's net worth exceeds $5,000,000, but he doesn't pay the $500,000 he owes on a guarantee that is due and payable. Come on, RonRicks, you simply cannot pick on Ms. Abrahms without also discussing Mr. Kemp's predicament.

The candidates for governor are mostly wealthy | Local News | timesenterprise.com

If Kemp owed back taxes I would encourage him to pay them. Especially since he is trying to be an elected official. I seem to be one of the few on here that is willing to recognize that both Abrams and Kemp are awful candidates. Neither can or would be better than Deal. The cheer leading and echo chamber on here for one or the other is quite embarrassing really.
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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I seem to be one of the few on here that is willing to recognize that both Abrams and Kemp are awful candidates.
Perhaps I've missed your criticism of Mr. Kemp in prior posts. If so, I apologize. However, it appears you focus more on Ms. Abrams finances than on Mr. Kemp's. But, if you think that they are both financially irresponsible, then I believe I must agree with you to some extent.
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:19 AM
 
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If Kemp owed back taxes I would encourage him to pay them. Especially since he is trying to be an elected official. I seem to be one of the few on here that is willing to recognize that both Abrams and Kemp are awful candidates. Neither can or would be better than Deal. The cheer leading and echo chamber on here for one or the other is quite embarrassing really.
What you are precisely doing is horribly bad mouthing Abrams to try to take her down Kemp's level. Of course you cannot actually defend Kemp, as his character and policies are indefensible. So you're only course of action is to drag his opponent down to his level.

Abrams is not perfect but your response of "Both candidates are bad" adds nothing to the discussion and is merely an attempt to deflect criticism away from Kemp. We have addressed Abram's issues at length in this thread, but once someone calls out Kemp's problems then you simply wave your hands and say "They're both bad! Politics, am I right?"

We all know you're voting for Kemp in November, you don't need to hide it.
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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What you are precisely doing is horribly bad mouthing Abrams to try to take her down Kemp's level. Of course you cannot actually defend Kemp, as his character and policies are indefensible. So you're only course of action is to drag his opponent down to his level.

Abrams is not perfect but your response of "Both candidates are bad" adds nothing to the discussion and is merely an attempt to deflect criticism away from Kemp. We have addressed Abram's issues at length in this thread, but once someone calls out Kemp's problems then you simply wave your hands and say "They're both bad! Politics, am I right?"

We all know you're voting for Kemp in November, you don't need to hide it.

This is the line of thinking I have been talking about. Kemp is terrible. So is Abrams. If I were voting for Kemp I would just say it. The cheerleading on here is pitiful. "Group think" is a very dangerous thing as you have shown.
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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Perhaps I've missed your criticism of Mr. Kemp in prior posts. If so, I apologize. However, it appears you focus more on Ms. Abrams finances than on Mr. Kemp's. But, if you think that they are both financially irresponsible, then I believe I must agree with you to some extent.



Go back and read several pages. I have mocked Kemp many times for his backward thinking. And, if he were to have tax issues I would be asking him to pay them and not 'loan' himself money which is indefensible no matter who does it in that scenario.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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If you are afraid of "rigging voting machines" the answer to that is voter ID and a paper ballot system. Right?


Kemp didn't have a bus to round up "immigrants" that was the other guy Williams. He had a truck to round up "criminal illegal immigrants" which isn't a radical idea. You are twisting things to try and make Abrams looks better. There is a huge difference between an "Immigrant" and "Illegal or Criminal Illegal Immigrants". This is the very line of thinking I have been trying to explain to people on here. Neither is a good choice yet we have an echo chamber that distorts the truth on both sides.
Yes, paper ballots would allow a paper trail for recounts in case of tampering.

Voter ID does nothing. "Voter fraud" is almost non-existent.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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Yes, paper ballots would allow a paper trail for recounts in case of tampering.

Voter ID does nothing. "Voter fraud" is almost non-existent.

Can't really have one without the other in that situation. Something has to give. Pick your poison it is either using electronic voting machines or going to the paper ballot with a voter ID. Voter fraud absolutely exists. Hard to investigate voter fraud when certain states refuse to turn over the information to be dissected and analyzed.
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