What will Abrams do? (Millen: 2014, house, luxury)

[citidata18]

I actually agree with FarRight on one point. She would make a great VP for Sanders.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by citidata18

I actually agree with FarRight on one point. She would make a great VP for Sanders.

Anybody who ran in 2016 needs to be seated this go 'round.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Anybody who ran in 2016 needs to be seated this go 'round.

I'm just going to say that I disagree and leave it at that.

[CaliDreaming01]

Originally Posted by citidata18

I actually agree with FarRight on one point. She would make a great VP for Sanders.

Yes ITA. She would shore him up with the voters he needs the help with most--older black Southern females.

It will be so interesting to see who wins the primary. I see Biden as Hillary 2.0. He is gong to have a hard time as centrist Dem in a party that is quickly shifting left. I also don't see Kamala Harris, Beto O'Rourke and Corey Booker going anywhere. After Obama, many progressives don't want to be burned by another charismatic candidate who campaigns as a liberal but starts kicking the hippies as soon as they're in office. Beto has voted with Trump way too many times to get the progressives on board.

I think Sanders has a good shot because I think the primary is going to be all about policy and not just personality. He has been at this a long time and his record is solid. But it really could be anybody's game.

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by CaliDreaming01

Yes ITA. She would shore him up with the voters he needs the help with most--older black Southern females.

It will be so interesting to see who wins the primary. I see Biden as Hillary 2.0. He is gong to have a hard time as centrist Dem in a party that is quickly shifting left. I also don't see Kamala Harris, Beto O'Rourke and Corey Booker going anywhere. After Obama, many progressives don't want to be burned by another charismatic candidate who campaigns as a liberal but starts kicking the hippies as soon as they're in office. Beto has voted with Trump way too many times to get the progressives on board.

I think Sanders has a good shot because I think the primary is going to be all about policy and not just personality. He has been at this a long time and his record is solid. But it really could be anybody's game.

I think going far left will be entertaining. And will ensure another 4 years of Trump.

[CaliDreaming01]

Originally Posted by markjames68

I think going far left will be entertaining. And will ensure another 4 years of Trump.

I don’t agree. Hillary was a centrist and got creamed. Can’t do the same thing and expect different results. Progressive policies poll well and Millennials on the whole are very far left. Also, the dems recaptured the house by a wide margin at the same time many candidates shifted decidedly left—AOC being a case in point.

So I don’t see why they would be shifting shifting right when that has produced disastrous results and shifting left has been working well.

[MattCW]

Hillary was NOT a centrist by any stretch.

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by CaliDreaming01

I don’t agree. Hillary was a centrist and got creamed. Can’t do the same thing and expect different results. Progressive policies poll well and Millennials on the whole are very far left. Also, the dems recaptured the house by a wide margin at the same time many candidates shifted decidedly left—AOC being a case in point.

So I don’t see why they would be shifting shifting right when that has produced disastrous results and shifting left has been working well.

Polling and reality are two different things.

And many Millennials are now at the point where they are buying houses and raising families. Many of them would face a hefty tax increase to pay for the “free” programs being touted. I don’t think you can call an entire generation “very far left” except maybe in California.

AOC is not a good example, she is an edge case. Deepest perma-blue district with extensive poverty, poor education and extremely low turnout. She ran on a “chicken in every pot” type of campaign and the fact she has Puerto Rican blood and is from the Bronx (which she left at age 5). If anything, her antics over the next couple of years will show people how unrealistic the “progressive” agenda can be.

AOC gets press, but the math doesn’t add up.

What I do agree it will do is turn the Democrat primary process further left. But if someone like Harris wins the primary she will still struggle to win. But maybe I’m wrong. I just hope some whacko doesn’t get in with a supermajority that massively raises taxes from the “haves” to give to the “have nots”.

Again, I’m not against many laudable programs like universal healthcare. But I’m a high-information voter and want specifics. I’m also in favor of reducing the size of our current government and its spending. Much of this should be then taken up at the state level.

Back to Abrams...

If the sentiment is to go super progressive nationally, I’m sure that will play well in the ATL metro. It will not in the rural areas and it will be another hard fight, with her going against an incumbent. I think if a leftist progressive is elected in 2020 as President it would harm her chances in 2022, so she should run in 2020.

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Hillary was NOT a centrist by any stretch.

She was to “progressives” who are in favor of 70% income tax rates, high capital gains taxes, minimum guaranteed wages and universal social programs. She’s practically right wing.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by markjames68

Polling and reality are two different things.

And many Millennials are now at the point where they are buying houses and raising families. Many of them would face a hefty tax increase to pay for the “free” programs being touted. I don’t think you can call an entire generation “very far left” except maybe in California.

AOC is not a good example, she is an edge case. Deepest perma-blue district with extensive poverty, poor education and extremely low turnout. She ran on a “chicken in every pot” type of campaign and the fact she has Puerto Rican blood and is from the Bronx (which she left at age 5). If anything, her antics over the next couple of years will show people how unrealistic the “progressive” agenda can be.

AOC gets press, but the math doesn’t add up.

What I do agree it will do is turn the Democrat primary process further left. But if someone like Harris wins the primary she will still struggle to win. But maybe I’m wrong. I just hope some whacko doesn’t get in with a supermajority that massively raises taxes from the “haves” to give to the “have nots”.

Again, I’m not against many laudable programs like universal healthcare. But I’m a high-information voter and want specifics. I’m also in favor of reducing the size of our current government and its spending. Much of this should be then taken up at the state level.

Back to Abrams...

If the sentiment is to go super progressive nationally, I’m sure that will play well in the ATL metro. It will not in the rural areas and it will be another hard fight, with her going against an incumbent. I think if a leftist progressive is elected in 2020 as President it would harm her chances in 2022, so she should run in 2020.

A progressive candidate like Bernie Sanders doesn't need Georgia to win.