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Old 03-23-2019, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bu2 View Post

What type of crazy people do we have in the legislature?

"A succinct, two-section bill introduced this week in the Georgia General Assembly would make men 55 and older self-report each and every time they e******** — immediately, to the nearest law enforcement agency...."

"...Kendrick has represented Georgia’s 93rd District in the Assembly since she was elected in 2010 at age 27, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. HB 604 was co-sponsored by Cannon, Renitta Shannon, Donna McLeod and Sandra Scott...."

I don't want this to cross any lines, so you can read the link if you can't figure out what the e word is.
Obviously those 5 Democrats are being sarcastic, but how nuts do you have to be to even think up something like this and introduce it?
Is this difficult for you to figure out? How many crazy bills have Republicans put forward, particularly to maintain control over women?

Old 03-23-2019, 08:49 AM
Location: East Side of ATL
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Originally Posted by ATLTJL View Post
It's just a protest bill.

I think by far the biggest travesty about our legislature is how much money is not spent on healthcare, education and other necessary services.

YET... They pass this fetal heartbeat bill, which regardless of what your political stance on it is, is a complete waste of money because they will have to pay a legal team to defend the measure in court. Which it can't possibly win because the Supreme Court has already spoken on these types of laws. So they're basically just wasting taxpayer money so they can pay lawyers to go to court and say, "We don't like the Supreme Court's ruling!"

What a waste.
Agreed. Our state budget is a joke in comparison to other states.

We can't afford statewide trauma care or keep rural hospitals open but we have time for these silly bills.
Old 03-23-2019, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by PKCorey View Post
Agreed. Our state budget is a joke in comparison to other states.

We can't afford statewide trauma care or keep rural hospitals open but we have time for these silly bills.
Republican playbook 101. Distract with silly cultural and religious bills so the poor dumb voters don't realize how few services they receive and that it's selfish Republicans who ensure they don't get them.
Old 03-23-2019, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by atler8 View Post
Put purely & simply (you already admitted to the sarcasm of the intent of the bill) this is completely an exercise designed to point out via the outrageous nature of it's main precept as to how men have, & still want to via legislation, desired to control women's bodies & reproductive choices via laws & past standards of patriarchal societal rule.

If you can't admit that this male control is and has been true, but yet are deeming this sarcastic bill as a response to that current situation as "crazy" to use your words, are you perhaps being hypocritical?

In terms of laws that have guided or controlled reproductive rights and women's bodies & choices, it's men who have ruled over women & not women who have ruled over men & I happen to think that's a bit unjust & "nuts" to use your word. This is2019 and not 1719!

Georgia conservatives are championing a fetal "heartbeat" bill that if enacted into law, would be among the strictest anti-abortion legislation in the nation; legislation that seems destined to end up in the courts & cost Georgia tax $$$$ to defend before probably being struck down as has recently happened in other states that defended their new extremely restrictive "fetal heartbeat" laws.

From my point of view, what really is a shame & a bit "nuts" is how social conservatives & their abetting republican politicians continue to want to enforce their own standards of morality & religious tenets on everyone else.

It's another unfortunate sign of how that party, the one that I grew up in but have had to leave, has made so many choices that have made it unrecognizable from it's once historically respectable status known as the GOP.
Its an issue of believing that the unborn child is a human being with rights, not a desire to control a woman's body. That's why this bill makes the legislators look ridiculous, because its not remotely comparable.
Old 03-23-2019, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bu2 View Post
Its an issue of believing that the unborn child is a human being with rights, not a desire to control a woman's body. That's why this bill makes the legislators look ridiculous, because its not remotely comparable.
The problem for Republican legislators is that abortion-related bills like HB 481 ("The Heartbeat Bill") do not always come across as well-intentioned to female voters, particularly to college-educated female suburban voters.

Many (though by no means all, but many) female voters (particularly those with college educations who may vote heavily Republican but are always strongly aligned with hard-line social conservatives) view legislation like HB 481 as a personal attack against them by male legislators... That is particularly when it comes to reproductive health issues, which are not always so black-and-white, and which obviously physically affect women directly.

In a state that already appears to be trending heavily towards purple and possibly even blue status in the not-too-distant future, largely because of ongoing GOP issues with female voters during the Trump era, Georgia Republicans are wading into the very deep end of the pool on this issue.

Virginia Republicans (whom appear to have at least a fighting chance to regain some power in that state in the aftermath of multiple blackface and sex abuse scandals involving the state's current Democratic leadership) lost power for relatively much less demagoguing on the abortion issue by requiring women to undergo mandatory ultrasounds before abortions.

Virginia Democrats (with the help of the national media) ate Virginia Republicans alive on the pre-abortion ultrasound issue in the early 2010's, eventually riding to power statewide on the strength of the growing legion of college-educated female voters in the Northern Virginia suburbs outside of Washington, D.C. who were angered by what they saw as needless and endless Republican demagoguing on the abortion issue that they viewed as being attacks on them personally.

With Georgia looking to be fast evolving into a battleground state with a population that for all intents and purposes, already appears to be 'blue,' the stakes are much higher for Georgia Republicans in a state in Georgia where the demographics appear to be even more favorable to eventual statewide Democratic domination than even in Virginia.

If the Georgia GOP wants to make abortion the issue they demagogue on in a state with demographics that are already rapidly trending in favor of the Democrats, and in a state that is already slated to attract massive amounts of Democrat and progressive money in future election cycles, the Georgia GOP must be straight with themselves that this very well could be the hill that they die on going into the 2020 and 2022 election cycles.

I can understand wanting to take a public stand on the issue of abortion, but in these already challenging political and demographic conditions (where the GOP already appears to be having major problems with the college-educated female suburban voters that have been a critical part of their coalition over the past four decades), pushing such a highly controversial and emotionally-wrenching abortion bill seems suicidal.

With a bill like HB 481, it seems that the Georgia GOP might as well have labeled the bill "The Make Georgia Blue Act" with how the bill seems to have the potential to severely alienate the college-educated suburban female voters that the party has been so dependent on during its time as a dominant force in Georgia politics.
Old 03-23-2019, 11:12 AM
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Please keep posts on Georgia and the specific topic. Debated about abortion or anything else are off topic.
Old 03-25-2019, 07:35 AM
Location: Macon, GA
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Originally Posted by bryantm3 View Post
. it seems like people don't really know enough about the ins-and-outs of all of this to legislate it. it's just posturing.
They know. It keeps the base happy. Essentially for the GOP in Georgia, you either get behind this or you will get "primaried" by someone who will. I think there are quite a few Republicans who would rather not deal with this, but that is the way the political winds blow in the south. One must support social conservatism to have an R after their name.
Old 03-25-2019, 02:23 PM
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But what's the glory in that? Can't we let one of the other backward states waste their taxpayer money getting Roe v. Wade overturned?

Which isn't going to happen anyway.

I honestly don't know why they care so much. The only lives they'd be saving are the ones they don't want to cover with Medicaid expansion, anyway. Any Georgian with a little money in their pocket would know how to go to a neighboring state or Canada to get an abortion no matter what they do.
Old 03-25-2019, 04:04 PM
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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Originally Posted by ATLTJL View Post
Any Georgian with a little money in their pocket would know how to go to a neighboring state or Canada to get an abortion no matter what they do.
I am more concerned with those who may not can afford that option and resort to the coat hanger horror of years gone by.
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