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Old 07-19-2019, 12:32 PM
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Location: Florida
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This is an example of Illegal Immigrants screwing it up for people who are doing nothing wrong. Its a scam that is negatively impacting Puerto Ricans the state of Georgia isn't at fault here the Illegal Immigrants are.
That is a morally corrupt perspective.

When there must be "screwing up" visited on the wrong people (i.e., anyone other than those entering the country illegally), basic tenets of morality dictate that it must be visited on the most powerful in society, not on the most vulnerable in society. It is a failure of the dominant groups in society to innovate solutions; that's where the consequences should fall.

The insinuation that it is acceptable to visit the consequences of the situation on members of minority groups instead of taking whatever consequences necessary onto the dominant groups in society is utterly indefensible. When people talk about white supremacy, that immoral attitude you've expressed is precisely what they are talking about.

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Well kinda like how Illegal Immigrants don't deserve to be in this country but are committing fraud to do such? Without that there would be no problems. Right?
Stop trying to deflect attention away from the morally bankrupt perspective you advocated. If people are entering the country illegally, then direct state actions at them, if you wish. Reasonable people can agree or disagree about that, but at least it isn't as blatantly and disgustingly immoral as what you're suggesting.
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:36 PM
 
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That is a morally corrupt perspective.



When there must be "screwing up", basic tenets of morality dictate that it must be visited on the most powerful in society, not on the most vulnerable in society.



The insinuation that it is acceptable to visit the consequences of the situation on members of minority groups instead of taking whatever consequences necessary onto the dominant groups in society is utterly indefensible. When people talk about white supremacy, that immoral attitude you've expressed is precisely what they are talking about.



Whats actually morally bankrupt is entering a country Illegally and screwing over legal citizens and putting more unnecessary scrutiny on them because you are trying to falsify and steal birth certificates. Or Social Security numbers. That is immoral.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:07 PM
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Location: Florida
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Whats actually morally bankrupt is entering a country Illegally and screwing over legal citizens and putting more unnecessary scrutiny on them because you are trying to falsify and steal birth certificates. Or Social Security numbers. That is immoral.
No. It isn't. It is illegal. It isn't immoral.

Again: What immoral is what you advocated: Visiting consequences on the least powerful innocents rather than on the most powerful innocents, when there are no other choices.

You seem to have no understanding of morality in our society. Could you please outline what your moral background is - how you gained what you think is an understanding of morality? It might help put your comments in context, or at least help explain why your moral compass is so far from society's.
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Old 07-24-2019, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, and Raleigh
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The issue is Illegal Immigrants from other countries (mainly Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador) are trying to pass themselves off as Puerto Rican and trying to obtain fraudulent birth certificates. Its a huge issue that needs to be stopped hence why there are extra parameters in place. This is an example of Illegal Immigrants screwing it up for people who are doing nothing wrong. Its a scam that is negatively impacting Puerto Ricans the state of Georgia isn't at fault here the Illegal Immigrants are.
That has nothing to do with the fact that publically funded state government agency is profiling naturalized by birth U.S. citizens because they are from the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, a US territory. That is illegal and civil liberties lawsuit waiting to happen. If you are complicit with that type of intellectual laziness and pure stupidity then you are in the company of the idiotic redneck yahoos in leadership running that state agency that deserves to be ridiculed and ousted from any influence. Nobody cares who tries to slide through the process. Hell, a llama dressed as a human can slide through all I care. However, profiling anyone without documented proof of a past criminal record is an automatic violation of the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution of that said US citizen (Puerto Rican) and a class-action lawsuit that wastes us the taxpayers' hard-earned dollars.

In other words, NOPE! It's not a valid excuse at all... It won't be upheld in any court of law either.
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Old 07-24-2019, 11:14 AM
 
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That has nothing to do with the fact that publically funded state government agency is profiling naturalized by birth U.S. citizens because they are from the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, a US territory. That is illegal and civil liberties lawsuit waiting to happen. If you are complicit with that type of intellectual laziness and pure stupidity then you are in the company of the idiotic redneck yahoos in leadership running that state agency that deserves to be ridiculed and ousted from any influence. Nobody cares who tries to slide through the process. Hell, a llama dressed as a human can slide through all I care. However, profiling anyone without documented proof of a past criminal record is an automatic violation of the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution of that said US citizen (Puerto Rican) and a class-action lawsuit that wastes us the taxpayers' hard-earned dollars.

In other words, NOPE! It's not a valid excuse at all... It won't be upheld in any court of law either.



It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Again, if Illegal Immigrants from places like El Salvador, Guatemala, or Honduras were not trying to pose as Puerto Rican citizens and steal or falsify birth certificates from LEGAL citizens we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Because of this fraud, LEGAL American citizens are put under unnecessary scrutiny because of Illegal Immigrants. Same goes for the stealing of Social Security numbers that also puts an unnecessary burden on LEGAL citizens. This isn't hard to understand.



Laziness is not entering the country in a Legal manner and causing all these problems for LEGAL citizens. Ask anyone who has had their SS# stolen by an Illegal Immigrant how fun it is getting all that sorted out at tax time. You simply don't understand the underlying issues here. Nobody is targeting Puerto Rican citizens because they are from Puerto Rico.
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Old 07-24-2019, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, and Raleigh
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It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Again, if Illegal Immigrants from places like El Salvador, Guatemala, or Honduras were not trying to pose as Puerto Rican citizens and steal or falsify birth certificates from LEGAL citizens we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Because of this fraud, LEGAL American citizens are put under unnecessary scrutiny because of Illegal Immigrants. Same goes for the stealing of Social Security numbers that also puts an unnecessary burden on LEGAL citizens. This isn't hard to understand.



Laziness is not entering the country in a Legal manner and causing all these problems for LEGAL citizens. Ask anyone who has had their SS# stolen by an Illegal Immigrant how fun it is getting all that sorted out at tax time. You simply don't understand the underlying issues here. Nobody is targeting Puerto Rican citizens because they are from Puerto Rico.
None of the justify profiling of Puerto Rican and will hold up in a court of law, but you can continue to bloviate over nothing. More intellectual laziness on the part of privileged (white) Americans. Okay...
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:25 AM
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Location: Florida
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This isn't hard to understand.
You seem to be having trouble understanding, though, that there is no legal or moral justification for treating people different just because they have similar ethnicity as people who are doing something wrong.

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Laziness is not entering the country in a Legal manner and causing all these problems for LEGAL citizens.
Stop deflecting. There is no legal or moral justification for treating people different just because they have similar ethnicity as people who are doing something wrong.

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Nobody is targeting Puerto Rican citizens because they are from Puerto Rico.
Indeed: You are advocating targeting them because they have similar ethnicity as people who are doing something wrong. That's illegal. It is also immoral.
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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You seem to be having trouble understanding, though, that there is no legal or moral justification for treating people different just because they have similar ethnicity as people who are doing something wrong.

Stop deflecting. There is no legal or moral justification for treating people different just because they have similar ethnicity as people who are doing something wrong.

Indeed: You are advocating targeting them because they have similar ethnicity as people who are doing something wrong. That's illegal. It is also immoral.



The ONLY reason this is an issue is because people are trying to take advantage of US Citizens (Puerto Ricans) for their own personal gain. That isn't me doing that it is Illegal Immigrants. I also am not 'targeting' Puerto Ricans I am saying it is a shame they have to go through this mess because of Illegal Immigrants. Just like it is a shame that many American citizens of all backgrounds have to go though the trouble when their SS# is stolen by an Illegal Immigrant. The Illegal Immigrants are causing this mess not Puerto Ricans, the government, me, or anyone. You still don't understand what is even being discussed here you are just making up a bunch of sensationalized hyperbole that people are targeting Puerto Ricans which isn't happening. Without Illegal Immigrants trying to falsify birth certificates we aren't even having this discussion.
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Old 07-26-2019, 03:00 AM
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The ONLY reason this is an issue is because people are trying to take advantage of US Citizens (Puerto Ricans) for their own personal gain.
Wrong. "This" is happening because of that (which can be addressed numerous ways, including many that have not yet been devised or implemented) AND because of how some people want to respond to it with racism.

Both.

And guess which part of that is the failing with what you've been advocating.

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That isn't me doing that
Yes, it is you doing it - advocating the racist remediation. You.

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it is Illegal Immigrants. I also am not 'targeting' Puerto Ricans I am saying it is a shame they have to go through this mess because of Illegal Immigrants.
Okay so it's not just isolated racism; it is full-blown white supremacy, complete with patronizingly inane rationalizations from the indefensible advocacy you're spewing.

Catch a hint (for once): Whatever remediation you choose to put in place to address the real problem, make sure you yourself are as adversely affected by it as any other American citizen.
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Old 07-26-2019, 06:22 AM
 
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Wrong. "This" is happening because of that (which can be addressed numerous ways, including many that have not yet been devised or implemented) AND because of how some people want to respond to it with racism.

Both.

And guess which part of that is the failing with what you've been advocating.

Yes, it is you doing it - advocating the racist remediation. You.

Okay so it's not just isolated racism; it is full-blown white supremacy, complete with patronizingly inane rationalizations from the indefensible advocacy you're spewing.

Catch a hint (for once): Whatever remediation you choose to put in place to address the real problem, make sure you yourself are as adversely affected by it as any other American citizen.



There. Would. Be. No. Issue. If. Illegal. Immigrants. Were. Not. Trying. To. Pose. As. Puerto Ricans.



This is a cause and effect that you seem to not be able to understand. Furthermore, nobody is targeting Puerto Ricans they are targeting Illegal Immigrants. The Illegal Immigrants are the cause of this and US Citizens are being impacted negatively because of it. Just like when an American citizen has their SS# stolen by an Illegal Immigrant. I haven't advocated for anything other than Illegal Immigrants STOP trying to forge birth certificates that say they are Puerto Rican.
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