Georgia panel approves bill aiming to make it legal to brandish a gun (permit, courses)

[atler8]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

“My argument is: just because I have a weapon on my person and I show that weapon, I should not be charged with a felony — a 20-year felony — for simply brandishing my firearm in my attempt to de-escalate what I consider a situation where I felt threatened,” Harper said.

The deciding factor appears to be if it is pointed

What you said there differs drastically from your prior basically unencumbered, unrestricted "brandishing" viewpoint to which I objected earlier.


You have now in some fashion limited your basic "anything goes" brandishing earlier position here, thereby moving the goal posts.


I stand by my earlier comment.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by atler8

What you said there differs drastically from your prior basically unencumbered, unrestricted "brandishing" viewpoint to which I objected earlier.


You have now in some fashion limited your basic "anything goes" brandishing earlier position here, thereby moving the goal posts.


I stand by my earlier comment.

Are you on the wrong thread?

Brandishing
wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.
"a man leaped out brandishing a knife"

my exact words
Long overdue. It shouldn't be a felony to be holding a firearm.

You think holding is brandishing? If so you've attempted to recreate what the word means. Whatever.

[Brian_M]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

Ha! You are assuming the vast majority of folks are responsible. Not so.

I'm assuming that the overwhelming majority of GA weapons permit holders (and permit holds from other states) are More responsible than the majority. It's already known that this group are the single most law-abiding group of people in the country, above law enforcement/military.



Oh, should have mentioned that in GA the only people who are Legally allowed to have a firearm on their person in public must have a permit.




So, these "not responsible" people you're citing are already breaking OTHER laws, why would they care about one more?

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by Brian_M

I'm assuming that the overwhelming majority of GA weapons permit holders (and permit holds from other states) are More responsible than the majority. It's already known that this group are the single most law-abiding group of people in the country, above law enforcement/military.



Oh, should have mentioned that in GA the only people who are Legally allowed to have a firearm on their person in public must have a permit.




So, these "not responsible" people you're citing are already breaking OTHER laws, why would they care about one more?

If someone goes through the trouble of getting a CCW permit I’m pretty confident that they are responsible people. And one of the things taught in training courses is not to pull out your weapon unless you need to use it.

[atler8]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Are you on the wrong thread?

Brandishing
wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.
"a man leaped out brandishing a knife"

my exact words
Long overdue. It shouldn't be a felony to be holding a firearm.

You think holding is brandishing? If so you've attempted to recreate what the word means. Whatever.

I did incorrectly site your words in my 2nd post which was my error. That error came about due to the language in the original article that was linked in the 1st post by the op. In that linked piece the word "brandish" or "brandishing" was used more than once as a word descriptor.

It then follows that a discussion here should in all fairness consider that there are multiple ways of showing or holding a weapon just as there are also multiple intents behind how a weapon is held.

It also follows that the "brandishing" of a weapon or to "brandish" a weapon does have negative and threatening connotations and much more so than when a weapon is merely "held".
An exception to that would be when such a weapon is "brandished" as a determent to an imminent & perhaps life or property threatening situation.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

Should be one thing to show a fire arm if violence has ensued or is imminent. To walk into a bar holding a pistol in hand when there is no threat of violence is simply unreasonable, irresponsible and, frankly, idiotic.

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

That's private property and the owner can allow, or not.

I'm not worried about the 99.9% of the times when this will be a non-issue.

I'm worried about the 0.1% of the time when some idiot is going to brandish his gun for no reason and then not follow directions to put it up. Entitlement + brandished weapon = not a good combination.

[Brian_M]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

I'm not worried about the 99.9% of the times when this will be a non-issue.

I'm worried about the 0.1% of the time when some idiot is going to brandish his gun for no reason and then not follow directions to put it up. Entitlement + brandished weapon = not a good combination.

Are you worried about people speeding? Using their phones while driving? Both of those are so much more likely for you to encounter on a Daily basis with a much larger risk to life, limb and property....



With all these things to worry about, how do you even manage to function? OMG, I bet COVID-19 must have you fit to be tied... I'm shocked you haven't had a stroke, or a heart attack yet.



Again, a law isn't going to deter a criminal. The citizen who's following the laws and have a GWP (GA weapons permit) *WILL NOT* do what you're daydreaming about.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by Brian_M

Are you worried about people speeding? Using their phones while driving? Both of those are so much more likely for you to encounter on a Daily basis with a much larger risk to life, limb and property....

Oh, *I* get it! If it's not likely to happen to ME, it shouldn't be a law!

[MattCW]

Originally Posted by markjames68

Most people who purchase and register their guns are responsible. Maybe not so much for the wannabe gangstas.

No gun registration in Georgia.

[atler8]

A case of great judgment on the part of a gun owner who was carrying.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/...D4rIPTFnUVgDN/

This story speaks for itself...