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Old 01-23-2009, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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^Fantastic post!

 
Old 01-23-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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Relying on a Bill Murray quote to bolster your point is rather silly. Bill isn't a model citizen himself you know....
 
Old 01-23-2009, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Here and there
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Relying on a Bill Murray quote to bolster your point is rather silly. Bill isn't a model citizen himself you know....
I assume that means you do not agree with my point... which was that things have changed (a lot) since that statue was placed (dedicated) in New York harbor back in 1886? Really? Seriously?

And whats up with all the Bill Murray hate?(!) In the purest sense of the word, I guess it was a quote from Bill Murray. But he said it while performing his craft... and I can almost bet you he 'stole' that line from the... ah, whats that called....uhm... oh ya, the script.

gaflsc, did you want to add something to the discussion or did you just stop by to call me silly? If you want to join in by all means do. If you just want to call me silly then I hate to inform you of this, but I have been called worse by better.....
 
Old 01-23-2009, 09:13 PM
 
Location: North Georgia
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I for one would be totally pleased if all the hispanics who are illegally here picked up and left. It wouldn't be a problem for the economy, it would be quite the opposite. All the people who are legal citizens or law abiding immigrants heading to citizenship would fill those positions quickly.
And if they got out of Gainesville it would start looking like Gainesville again instead of Little Mexico.
 
Old 01-24-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Buford, Ga.
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I have been reading this post and it is very interesting. I see a lot of hate and tolerism here. Yes the illegals are a drain on the healthcare system. But the law is the law; if they have kids born in this country, their kids are US citizens. If you don't like the situation contact your legislature and let them know you are displeased with the laws that they have made over the years. This is another arguement for healthcare and education reform also.

I read another blog here that they don't pay taxes. They do with false social security numbers and they also have an identification card that some get that allows them to work here and they pay taxes on that also. Your social security is being paid by the illegals, lots of it.

Yes, it illegal for them to be here, but what is our imigration department doing about it? The system needs to be corrected that allows them to be here. Contact your lawmakers and tell them. They all have e-mail addresses and websites just like this one.
 
Old 01-24-2009, 03:39 PM
 
Location: sweden
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Relying on a Bill Murray quote to bolster your point is rather silly. Bill isn't a model citizen himself you know....
Bill Murray is awesome,and as for the mexicans leaving....Good riddance!
 
Old 01-25-2009, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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I have been reading this post and it is very interesting. I see a lot of hate and tolerism here. Yes the illegals are a drain on the healthcare system. But the law is the law; if they have kids born in this country, their kids are US citizens. If you don't like the situation contact your legislature and let them know you are displeased with the laws that they have made over the years. This is another arguement for healthcare and education reform also.

I read another blog here that they don't pay taxes. They do with false social security numbers and they also have an identification card that some get that allows them to work here and they pay taxes on that also. Your social security is being paid by the illegals, lots of it.

Yes, it illegal for them to be here, but what is our imigration department doing about it? The system needs to be corrected that allows them to be here. Contact your lawmakers and tell them. They all have e-mail addresses and websites just like this one.
"Tolerism"...do you mean tolerance or intolerance? Either way, that's immaterial to the discussion.

There are two separate topics here that are getting mixed. One is whether or not there will be economic impact if there is a population shift among hispanics in Gainesville and GA in general; the other is why our government allows illegal aliens to cross our borders and remain here.

The answer to the first is of course there will be some impact. What that impact is may be mixed. On the one hand you have the consumption side of the equation. People buy groceries, clothing, rent or buy somewhere to live, and go to movies and fast food places, etc. That spending will decrease if these same people move on to other places. On the other hand, there may also be a decrease in emergency room costs and social/government services, as indigent aliens no longer seek them.

As for the second question, if you're here illegally, you've broken the law and committed a criminal act. Having an "anchor baby" in the US doesn't mitigate that crime, although based on our current law, it does provide citizenship and welfare services to the baby. As stated, until our representatives change the law to elminate granting automatic citizenship to anyone lucky enough to be born on US soil, no matter how they got here, this issue with continue.
 
Old 01-25-2009, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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And at that point, there was no such thing as illegal immigration... just immigration.
Not true at all. As a grandchild of immigrants who landed at Ellis Island in 1901, and the son of an immigrant who landed at a westside Manhattan pier in the early 1950's, that's completely false. Just ask the many who were turned away and sent home for one or more legal reasons. There were quotas in place and specific guidelines on sponsorship, economic skills, and health that had to be met.

The difference was that back then we turned away people who didn't meet the guidelines and we enforced our laws.
 
Old 01-25-2009, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Here and there
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Not true at all. As a grandchild of immigrants who landed at Ellis Island in 1901, and the son of an immigrant who landed at a westside Manhattan pier in the early 1950's, that's completely false. Just ask the many who were turned away and sent home for one or more legal reasons. There were quotas in place and specific guidelines on sponsorship, economic skills, and health that had to be met.

The difference was that back then we turned away people who didn't meet the guidelines and we enforced our laws.
I was referring to when they dedicated that plaque... 1886. There very well may have been guidelines... but I bet you cannot find the term 'illegal alien' until much much later than that.
I think you may have missed my point. We traveled from "We the People" to "Give us your tired, your poor" to 'not so fast, we are gettin' full over here. What can you do for us?' For all practical purposes, in my opinion, our economy was initiated on the 'backs' of immigrants. At least during the industrial revolution any ways. Now we are complaining about the drain on our economy due to immigrants. That was kinda sorta my point.
Based on the 2000 census, less than one percent of this countries population is 'American Indian'. With that in mind, more than 99% of us are descendants of immigrants. Welcome to the masses, neil0311... you are not alone.
 
Old 01-25-2009, 05:32 PM
 
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If you are worried about illegals taking a job away from you, you are in the wrong business.
I call B.S.

Milwaukee Officer Found To Be Illegal Immigrant - washingtonpost.com

here's a stroy of an illegal who stole his cousins ID and became a city of Milwaukee (Wisconsin) Police Officer.

these sort of stories happen more than we know, the media needs to report more of it.
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