Georgia's largest cities (Atlanta, Savannah: statistics, transportation, land)

[Newsboy]

Regardless of the Census and OMB, facts are facts: More people live in the immediate Savannah region than the Augusta region. Period.

[nortonguy]

The entire CSA of Savannah and Beaufort county vs the three main counties in Augusta's MSA...
Chatham 265,128
Beaufort 162,233
Liberty 63,453
Effingham 52,250
Bryan 30,233
Long 14,464
= 587,761

Richmond 200,549
Aiken 160,099
Columbia 124,033
= 484,701

This is why the 115 acre VAR can't be compared to anything yet in the other 2nd tier cities.. The population of the main counties in Augusta is higher compared to Savannah's CSA(everything minus Beaufort)

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Newsboy

Regardless of the Census and OMB, facts are facts: More people live in the immediate Savannah region than the Augusta region. Period.

Yes, but "the immediate Savannah region" or population by radius is not the same as MSA/CSA. I don't know why you can't see that. Just take the numbers for what they are.

The cripple-fights in Georgia never cease to amuse me. Outside of Atlanta, nobody really even cares anyway.

[Newsboy]

^^^ If nobody cares Mutiny, then why do you keep entering the discussion?

And Nortonguy, I've never disputed that Augusta doesn't have a denser urban core than Savannah, just that the larger Savannah region -- the DMA or TMZ or whatever you want to call it -- is in reality much bigger than the federal agencies recognize. And that is fact. The Nielsen TV HH numbers clearly show that. As someone who works in the media business, I can tell you that national advertisers pay more to reach the Savannah audience than they do Augusta -- they couldn't care less about MSAs!

BY THE WAY, because i know you like to "keep score" on such things, Savannah will be getting a Whole Foods later this year in a redevelopment on Victory Drive, and a new Imax theater out in Pooler in *booming* West Charham. McDonalds also just opened a new prototype urban restaurant in a rehab building on Broughton Street in downtown Savannah. Scratch those off your scorecard. Also, Savannah got a Williams-Sonoma last year (which actually RELOCATED here from Hilton Head, go figure). I know W-S was one of those "national" brands you used to like to brag about for some reason being only in Augusta.

[Newsboy]

OH YEAH: You also left Jasper County, SC off your Savannah population list; it's that mass of land immediately across the Savannah River from downtown Savannah and part of the Beaufort-Hilton Head MiSA -- population 24,777. It's where most of Sun City Hilton Head and several other very large retirement communities are located. A large percentage of Jasper County's population works at Georgia Ports, and GA-SC are collaborating to expand the port on the Jasper Cpunty side of the river. Again, there's far less dichotomy in this region than people give credit for.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Newsboy

^^^ If nobody cares Mutiny, then why do you keep entering the discussion?

Nobody outside of Georgia, and a bunch of people IN Georgia at that. It's just amusing to see some of you guys' heads spin when it comes to these sorts of discussions.

[BullochResident]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

The cripple-fights in Georgia never cease to amuse me. Outside of Atlanta, nobody really even cares anyway.

Tell that to the environmentalists who are fighting back the recent population boom that's hitting Georgia's coast.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by BullochResident

Tell that to the environmentalists who are fighting back the recent population boom that's hitting Georgia's coast.

That's a totally different matter and those environmentalists are still largely limited to Georgia.

[Newsboy]

^^^ UH NO, THEY ARE NOT "JUST IN GEORGIA" MUTINY! The state of SC is doing EVERYTHING in its power to stop expansion of the Savannah port -- a federal court in Charleston is hearing an appeal of the environmental permits even as we speak! SC is scared TO DEATH of the economic growth that is taking place in the Savannah region, even to the point of ignoring very real interstate needs between the Hilton Head and Savannah markets. Fortunately, Georgia and South Carolina have FINALLY reached an agreement to fix the horrible conditions of US 17 directly across the Savannah River approaching SC that include a new bridge between the two states. But guess who's footing 90 percent of the bill? The taxpayers of Georgia!

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Newsboy

^^^ UH NO, THEY ARE NOT "JUST IN GEORGIA" MUTINY! The state of SC is doing EVERYTHING in its power to stop expansion of the Savannah port -- a federal court in Charleston is hearing an appeal of the environmental permits even as we speak! SC is scared TO DEATH of the economic growth that is taking place in the Savannah region, even to the point of ignoring very real interstate needs between the Hilton Head and Savannah markets. Fortunately, Georgia and South Carolina have FINALLY reached an agreement to fix the horrible conditions of US 17 directly across the Savannah River approaching SC that include a new bridge between the two states. But guess who's footing 90 percent of the bill? The taxpayers of Georgia!

Bullochresident is talking about people concerned about the environmental impacts of rapid urbanization along the Georgia coast, and these are people that are largely residents of Georgia; that is COMPLETELY unrelated to SC's opposition to the expansion of the port of Savannah--which is for purely economic reasons under the guise of environmental concerns.

At any rate, my original point still stands: only certain people from Georgia care about who's really #2 in Georgia. Practically everybody else couldn't care less.