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Old 04-23-2010, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Murrayville, Georgia
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Thats what I say. Let everyone pay their fair share to live in this great country/state.

good answer......
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Old 04-23-2010, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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So let's shift the tax brackets around. Let's take the current brackets of:

<$750: 1%
<$2250: 2%
<$3750: 3%
<$5250: 4%
<$7000: 5%
above that: 6%

to:

<$20,000: 0% (that's right, zero!)
<$70,000: 3%
<$130,000: 10%
above that: 18%

Before you go and cry "Soshalism," look at this strictly in a dollars-and-cents point-of-view. Deductions aside, everyone who makes about $130,000 or less would get a tax cut--the overwhelming majority of us. And adding an additional 12% to the top bracket would still make the rich's effective federal + state tax rate well short of the 70% bracket in effect under President Nixon, or especially the 91% bracket under President Eisenhower.
Oh...I get it. So if it's good for you, then screw the rest of us? You make less than 130K, so let's soak the other guys who make more?

When will class warriers like you learn that the people who make the money are the ones who already pay the lion's share of the taxes. Just soaking us more to make you feel better is nothing more than socialism...plain and simple. Maybe the 47% of wage earners who pay NOTHING at all are the ones freeloading and who need to start picking up their fair share?

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Besides, Georgia already has some of the lowest taxes in the nation, so pulling back even is very unlikely to take us on a near worst-to-first track.
Not even close. Have you actually reviewed the state and local taxes compared to other states. States like New Hampshire, Texas, Florida, Washington, Tennessee, and others come to mind where there are no income taxes or neither income nor sales taxes as in NH.

Georgia isn't a heavy tax state like NY, NJ, CA, IL, but it's not low tax. About middle of the pack.
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Old 04-23-2010, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Just an FYI to those of you who disagree with my proposal, you'll have a better shot at persuading me if you'll stop talking like we're on FOX News (*cough* Neil), and start coming up with a proposal that simultaneously cuts taxes for most Georgians and sharply cuts the deficit. No offense, but I think some people are so pledged to avoiding progressive taxes that they're willing to support higher taxes on themselves just to make that happen. Fine, just don't help to raise mine.
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Old 04-23-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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"Just don't raise mine."

So much for being in this together.

"start coming up with a proposal that simultaneously cuts taxes for most Georgians and sharply cuts the deficit."

While we're at it, I'd like a magic unicorn with a jet pack to ride to my brand new mansion.

As a country, we have to face up to paying off our darned debt. EVERYBODY. It will take a hugely long time, and will probably require some sort of means test for Social Security, but over time, the amount of the budget that goes to paying interest on the national debt will decline.

I'm not trying to convince you, because you're apparently completely sold on your idea. I will vote diametrically opposite from you, because it smacks of being disingenuous to give the low income folks a *cut* while soaking the well-off. And I'm very far from being in the top bracket.
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Thats what I say. Let everyone pay their fair share to live in this great country/state.
Ah, but what is fair? A straight percentage? An amount that each can comfortably bear?

It's a rather subjective judgement.
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Old 04-24-2010, 02:46 AM
 
Location: Acworth
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Ah and here is when we should get into corporations but we won't, because that would be too real for most people who make imaginary tax brackets and think that will fix anything.

I can draw x salary off the company i own/coown/chair/administer/etc as personal salary. and i pay tax based on that. say i choose 4000 a month. tax on that is ameable.

then on the other side the business pays corporate tax, which is rather simpler and well you have to pay it anyway. and you get to apply major deductions.

so, i am not happy with my 4k salary, but if i increase that, i get to pay more tax and it makes my payroll look bad.

what do? when you figure this out, you will realize how laughable "adjust brackets, flat tax no irs" and other slogans really are
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Old 04-24-2010, 07:41 AM
 
Location: The South
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Ah, but what is fair? A straight percentage? An amount that each can comfortably bear?

It's a rather subjective judgement.
I would consider it somewhat fairer if everybody that lives here payed something.
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Ah, but what is fair? A straight percentage? An amount that each can comfortably bear?

It's a rather subjective judgement.
No, actually it's not. Objective and fair would be a system where everyone pays the same percentage, and the more you make, the more you pay.

What is subjective and essentially unfair is a system where success is punished and where people who make more are forced to turn over a huge percentage of their income, while many pay absolutely nothing or very little.

This idea that somehow making a low income is more "everyday guy" and "average Joe" and to be more respected, while success and a higher income is to be ridiculed and punished is pretty funny. Sorry if it makes some people feel inferior that I paid more in income taxes than they grossed all year, but it's a result of 40 years of hard work.
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Just an FYI to those of you who disagree with my proposal, you'll have a better shot at persuading me if you'll stop talking like we're on FOX News (*cough* Neil), and start coming up with a proposal that simultaneously cuts taxes for most Georgians and sharply cuts the deficit. No offense, but I think some people are so pledged to avoiding progressive taxes that they're willing to support higher taxes on themselves just to make that happen. Fine, just don't help to raise mine.
Your condescending remarks will get you nowhere. I don't watch "Foxnews" beyond maybe the local stuff on channel 5, and I'm certainly able to think for myself and I can research and get information for myself. Typical liberal diversity.... trivialize the thoughts of and insult those who disagree with you. Love it.

Try stating some facts and not your wild fantasies. Nothing you said was any more than how you'd like to punish those who make more than you do. Persuade me that your "plan" has any merits at all beyond making you feel better about punishing "rich" people.

The real facts and the statistics are that higher wage earners pay the massive share of taxes already in this state and this country. The so called "progressive" tax system is nothing more than a way for those who make less to feel better about getting even somehow with those who make more, and for the politicians who run for office on the platform of soaking some nebulous minority they call "the rich" to keep getting voted into office by letting off 50%+ of the population from having to chip in with the rest of us.
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Your condescending remarks will get you nowhere. I don't watch "Foxnews" beyond maybe the local stuff on channel 5, and I'm certainly able to think for myself and I can research and get information for myself. Typical liberal diversity.... trivialize the thoughts of and insult those who disagree with you. Love it.

Try stating some facts and not your wild fantasies. Nothing you said was any more than how you'd like to punish those who make more than you do. Persuade me that your "plan" has any merits at all beyond making you feel better about punishing "rich" people.

The real facts and the statistics are that higher wage earners pay the massive share of taxes already in this state and this country. The so called "progressive" tax system is nothing more than a way for those who make less to feel better about getting even somehow with those who make more, and for the politicians who run for office on the platform of soaking some nebulous minority they call "the rich" to keep getting voted into office by letting off 50%+ of the population from having to chip in with the rest of us.
Dude, enough. If you have a better way to cut taxes and the deficit at the same time, I am all ears.
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