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Old 03-31-2010, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tccm View Post
skchi...I will put this to you straight. If you are progressive thinking or liberal and you are not christian than Holland, well most of West Michigan will not be the place for you. My husband and I just recently came to the heartbreaking decision to leave our home of 10 years here in Holland because the community is not a right fit for us. We are very progressive and liberal and are not Christian in our beliefs and I can assure we have felt like outcasts the entire time. It was not a big deal before we had children but the community is beginning to have an effect on our children that we are not happy with. Mostly, intolerance. I am not saying that these are bad people but I am saying that it is a very closed community that I find to be very judgmental. You will need to make the decision for yourself but I thought I would chime in since I am right in the middle of figuring out our relocation this summer and how to sell our home and find a new job out of state, etc. etc. etc.

This is terrible! This is a huge problem with Liberals. You guys can't run away from your beliefs, you simple prove the other side wrong! If everyone runs then it will never change! They think your going to corrupt their kids and that you have no values.. PROVE them wrong! What are they going to do? Talk about you? Who cares! You always have the Bible to use in your defense:-) Would Jesus gossip and judge? Remind them of the values they hold so dear. Make them out top be the Hippocrates. Their are more Liberals in Holland then you think, they all just keep their mouths shut so you don't see them. Politics is not a reason to sell your house. Holland is beautiful and Liberals deserve a nice place to live as well:-) Good luck to you.
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Old 03-31-2010, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by REIRehabber View Post
For crying out loud. Everything in your statement wreaks of elitist bigotry. You libs are full of bigots, hipocrits and racists. You all seem to support the notion and believe that conservatives are the one's that are under educated. I'm done responding to you. You obviously have elitist and arrogant views and I'm not going to waste my time responding any further. Like talking to a wall. Just a waste of time. Let me link you to a video to demonstrate how educated you progressive libs are.

YouTube - Obama Campaigns in 57 of 59 states

Yeah, cuz, George W NEVER screwed up his speeches.. Ha HA HA ha!! BTW, go on Craigslist Rants and raves, this isn't a political debate site. Typical ignorance, as expected.
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Old 03-31-2010, 07:26 AM
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BTW, to the OP.. there are some democrats in Holland. http://ottawadems.com/ It is a really nice place to live and the houses are extremely affordable! Keep us posted on your final decision
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Old 03-29-2011, 03:50 PM
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I lived in Holland Township for 3 years moving there from the east coast where we grew up. I am moderate in my views in both politics and religion. While I definately agree it is a conservative place, the people are easy to get along with. Most people go to church, and you will most likely be invited to attend their church. When we moved there, we attended a Catholic church and I just politely told them that. They were fine with it. Our subdivision had transplants like myself and natives. The natives tended to be conservative...many times not trick or treating, sometimes home-schooling, always very watchful and careful about their children's influences. They were also friendly, very interested in getting to know me and my children, and incredibly helpful. If they hear you are sick, have a new baby, flat tire whatever...you will have a casserole, offers of help and prayer or two said for you. I never thought it was oppressive just nice. Certaintly much nicer than the east coast communities we had moved from.

Since living there, we have relocated for my husband's job several times. We moved to southeastern MI, central PA, and western KY. I currenly live in Western KY, and we are actually looking at another relocation back to Holland! I will say that Western KY is very bible beltish religious conservative and extremely oppressive. I felt the conservatives in Holland were extremely more open minded than the the conservatives here. This, at least to me, is an oppressive place to live. The people in Holland were more live and let live types...happy to share their religious beliefs but never pushy or mean-spirited.

Just weighing in as someone who had lived lots of different places.
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Old 04-05-2011, 02:10 AM
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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I'm conservative but I have some liberal friends, they just have to undergo my chirping

In all reality, Grand Rapids is diverse and there's everything. We aren't a major city, but we're also not a small town in Kansas.
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Old 04-05-2011, 04:37 AM
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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I don't think it'd be difficult for liberals to live in Holland at all. It's one of the most liberal countries in the world. Drugs and prostitution are legal there. What else do you need?
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:05 PM
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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I don't think it'd be difficult for liberals to live in Holland at all. It's one of the most liberal countries in the world. Drugs and prostitution are legal there. What else do you need?
Uhh, Holland Michigan.
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Old 03-18-2012, 12:16 AM
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I am a year behind the last post on the subject of political liberals moving to Holland however; I am including my opinion nonetheless, in the hope that it might be of some help. To begin with, just because Hope College is a liberal arts college, does not neccesarily make it a liberal college. The most recent incident I have heard of concerning the college, is that it would not allow Dustin Lance Black (academy award winner) to speak there because he is homosexual. If that bothers you, Holland is not your place. I grew-up in Holland and lived there for almost 40 years, and, I eventually had to leave family behind just to get away. My experience was that if you do not fit into the majority's narrowly defined box, you will be made to be miserable. In addition, it is true that approximately 50% of voters living in Michigan vote Democrat. A great deal of them however, are blue-collar workers who are voting Democrat because Democrats support labor unions. Labor unions can certainly benefit those working class who need them, but if this is the only reason they are voting Democrat, then, we cannot assume that they are incredibly enlightened liberals who care about humanity as a whole.

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Old 03-18-2012, 06:26 PM
Location: west mich
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First of all in discussions of liberal vs conservative, it would help to google "traditional conservative" and "classical liberalism" etc so as not to get distracted by today's corporate media redefinitions.
If the ultra-cautious "fortress mentality" is a hallmark of conservative mind-set, then Holland is just small enough to allow that, while larger cities, like G. R. are too large. The smaller the town, the easier to keep an eye on one another. Any traveler can see that many tiny towns are built around a single church, and these "quaint places" may be less than friendly to nonconformists.
West Michigan has an ownership class and a seasonal working class (mostly Hispanic) with Holland right in the middle of it. That is its "diversity".
The city accepted the subsidized new battery factory (socialism when needed) while editorially denouncing the practice of govt "interference".
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:27 PM
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There is really no need to get bogged down in technicalities. As long as we make the distinction between political and economic liberalism, then, we can all agree on many of the basic assumptions and differences between political and conservative thinking.
I find it strange that you would mention the ultra-cautious fortress mentality so nonchalantly. Of course Holland, Michigan will not be constructing and utilizing any concentration camps anytime soon (against the law), however, I cannot help but make the connection to the ultimate fortress mentality belonging to Adolfo Hitler, who saw the Jews as a "partisan" threat. And, look how that turned out.
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