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Old 05-05-2009, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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I'm not sure what your definitions of "true conservative" or "true progressive liberal" are, but would you say that many people in Holland share your opinion?
You will be judged far less harshly by the typical conservative church going Hollander (who believes that everyone, including himself is flawed) than you would be by a typical progressive liberal (who believes that everyone else, except him, is flawed).

You don't have to be green (or whatever the latest fad is) to be cool in West Michigan. You can just be you and most people will accept that.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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I'm not religious, and I don't attend a church. I understand that religion is a very important issue to some people, and it wouldn't be a big deal if someone asked me if I attended a church or invited me to theirs in a friendly (not judgemental) way. However, if things went much further than that or I sensed that I was being judged for not attending a church, I would be uncomfortable. Do you think I'll have problems in Holland?
That would be up to you depending on how judgemental you come across to others. In general, progressive liberals tend to be far more judgemental than the typical church goer. I know that it is spun the other way around...which only serves to prove my point.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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I'm not religious, and I don't attend a church. I understand that religion is a very important issue to some people, and it wouldn't be a big deal if someone asked me if I attended a church or invited me to theirs in a friendly (not judgemental) way. However, if things went much further than that or I sensed that I was being judged for not attending a church, I would be uncomfortable. Do you think I'll have problems in Holland?
Some things that you will have to adjust to in Holland: Christian music being played over the sound system at work (if there is one), bible study groups taking over the work lunch room, in your face on your sleeve religious symbolism everywhere in your workplace, bible quotations as screen savers on work computers, company mission statements that include bible verses, group prayers at company parties, opening prayers before company meetings, receiving a copy of "A Purpose Driven Life" as a Christmas present from the company; you get the picture. If this sounds tolerable to you, you'll be fine.
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:45 PM
 
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Some things that you will have to adjust to in Holland: Christian music being played over the sound system at work (if there is one), bible study groups taking over the work lunch room, in your face on your sleeve religious symbolism everywhere in your workplace, bible quotations as screen savers on work computers, company mission statements that include bible verses, group prayers at company parties, opening prayers before company meetings, receiving a copy of "A Purpose Driven Life" as a Christmas present from the company; you get the picture. If this sounds tolerable to you, you'll be fine.
Living in Holland would definitely be quite an adjustment for us! Thanks for the reply.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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Living in Holland would definitely be quite an adjustment for us! Thanks for the reply.
I'm not saying that every company would be like that, especially the larger employers. But two small firms I worked for were.
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Old 05-06-2009, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Cumming, Georgia
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Before moving to the GRR area, we lived in Holland for 5 years (1994 to 1999). My folks live on Lake Mac so we go back often. We lived in the Central part of Holland, our neighbors were from all over, including Chicago. So we didn't expeirience too much CRC influences. At that time, many local shops are closed on Sundays. It was a nice town to live in and you are minutes from everywhere. We walked alot to 8th street (downtown area), Kollen Park, and other places from where we lived. Our kids were small so we never put them through schools.

Occasionally we were ask "what church do you belong to?"

My employer at that time, Haworth, had bible studies during lunch breaks. It's very low keyed.

When you come to visit Holland, be sure to visit Grand Haven if small towns are your thing. It's located about 25 minutes north of Holland.
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Old 05-06-2009, 09:18 PM
 
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I think you will be ok, it's not like it's a violent area or anything. What you might run upon a few times are days where you do get a small little judgement, whether that deters you from living there or not only you can speak for. Just hold your ground and realize that some of those western Michigan super conservative folks that think everything they believe to be true are just possibly a tad incorrect on some things. You might lose some potential friends in that area based on your religious whatevers, but are they really worth having?
My experience has been that if you have someone super liberal and supposidely open, they are not. Same goes the other way as well. Hang out with someone in Kalamazoo where they are certainly progressive, and liberal many times, and then mention that you might think that being a republican isn't such a bad thing. The level of openess drops considerably.
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Old 05-07-2009, 08:08 PM
 
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Some things that you will have to adjust to in Holland: Christian music being played over the sound system at work (if there is one), bible study groups taking over the work lunch room, in your face on your sleeve religious symbolism everywhere in your workplace, bible quotations as screen savers on work computers, company mission statements that include bible verses, group prayers at company parties, opening prayers before company meetings, receiving a copy of "A Purpose Driven Life" as a Christmas present from the company; you get the picture. If this sounds tolerable to you, you'll be fine.
This is so clearly a hugely overstated exaggeration. I have lived he all my life and have been in hundreds of local businesses and this is a very rare thing. It is a private business owners perogative to be this way I suppose (unless you are taking federal money), but the "normal" bank or retail store, or service industry is just like a business anywhere else.
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Old 05-08-2009, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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This is so clearly a hugely overstated exaggeration. I have lived he all my life and have been in hundreds of local businesses and this is a very rare thing. It is a private business owners perogative to be this way I suppose (unless you are taking federal money), but the "normal" bank or retail store, or service industry is just like a business anywhere else.
I'm not talking a retail store or bank. I'm talking about two professional services firms where I worked. I can't say it's every business, but it was 2 for 2 in my experience, in businesses that had nothing to do with Christianity or spirituality (construction and automotive supplies).

They certainly have the right to do it. I'm just giving the OP a heads up.
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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My husband and I visited Holland for a few hours yesterday. The big reason that we wanted to be in Holland is Lake Michigan. We thought that it would be great to live within walking distance of the lake and beach. However, after driving around quite a bit in the city and on the north side (I think were were in Holland township), it looks like most of the beach access is private. There are the city and state parks, but we would most likely have to drive there.

Also, we think that Holland might just be too small for us. It's a nice town, but we're not going to focus on Holland for right now.
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