Liberals in Holland (Detroit, Grand Rapids, Traverse City: unemployment rate, neighborhoods, school districts)

[topshop]

Originally Posted by magellan

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If we as a region had to rely solely on local conservatives, our economy would be in ruins.

Absolutely!

Just look at the recent Pew Center Report: "Beyond California - States in Peril". Just look at how conservative those states are!

Wait a minute...9 of the 10 are blue states....oh crap....nevermind.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by topshop

Absolutely!

Just look at the recent Pew Center Report: "Beyond California - States in Peril". Just look at how conservative those states are!

Wait a minute...9 of the 10 are blue states....oh crap....nevermind.

Hmmmm. Still waiting for someone to formulate a legitimate argument in favor of the area being overly conservative. Tell us all how religious zealotry and non-acceptance of outsiders are good character traits for an area.

[REIRehabber]

Originally Posted by magellan

"Maybe someone else can chime in to set the record straight" Set what record straight? And who out there has the monopoly on "truth?" The fact of the matter is that many conservatives in West Michigan are not very open to outsiders, and can even be a little scary about it. West Michigan is a growing area, and many many employers are reaching further and further out into the country to attract talent; highly intelligent (and many times liberal) talent that is sorely lacking in this sometimes backward and severely un-educated community (one of the lowest percentage of college grads in the Midwest).

Take a look at the 50 top thought leaders/economic influencers in Grand Rapids (hint, it ain't the Devos/Van Andel families) and you'll find several things in common: they're not originally from GR, they are highly educated (multiple advanced degrees), and they tend to lean moderate to left. That's a fact. Good thing they didn't take your advice and stay away, or just accepted the status quo.

If we as a region had to rely solely on local conservatives, our economy would be in ruins.

For crying out loud. Everything in your statement wreaks of elitist bigotry. You libs are full of bigots, hipocrits and racists. You all seem to support the notion and believe that conservatives are the one's that are under educated. I'm done responding to you. You obviously have elitist and arrogant views and I'm not going to waste my time responding any further. Like talking to a wall. Just a waste of time. Let me link you to a video to demonstrate how educated you progressive libs are.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjS7JuOcm6g

[skchi]

Originally Posted by REIRehabber

We are straying a little from the original OP's question. I had only wanted to understand why the OP felt like moving into a predominately conservative part of the state, but at the same time didn't want to be living near those so called scary conservatives.

I'm the OP. Where did I say that I didn't want to live near "scary conservatives"? Where did I say that I thought conservatives are scary?

Originally Posted by REIRehabber

I'm sure not all conservatives agree on every issue, but they at least still consider themselves conservatives. Why can't liberals do the same?

Really? Have you ever heard of the term RINO?

[magellan]

Originally Posted by REIRehabber

For crying out loud. Everything in your statement wreaks of elitist bigotry. You libs are full of bigots, hipocrits and racists. You all seem to support the notion and believe that conservatives are the one's that are under educated. I'm done responding to you. You obviously have elitist and arrogant views and I'm not going to waste my time responding any further. Like talking to a wall. Just a waste of time. Let me link you to a video to demonstrate how educated you progressive libs are.

Don't think I don't recognize the fact that you have not countered anything I have said. And again, I don't even consider myself a liberal. I've voted Republican and Democrat. I've voted for ballot measures that fall on both sides of issues. You should try it some time.

You're "done" with me? I'm still waiting for you to start.

And I totally apologize skchi for monopolizing your discussion. Some people can't seem to see what's really happening.

[REIRehabber]

Originally Posted by skchi

I'm the OP. Where did I say that I didn't want to live near "scary conservatives"? Where did I say that I thought conservatives are scary?





Really? Have you ever heard of the term RINO?

Those are donkeys in elephant suites. They're not fooling anyone.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by REIRehabber

Those are donkeys in elephant suites. They're not fooling anyone.

Let me guess, boxed set of Glen Beck DVD's on your Christmas list?

[REIRehabber]

Originally Posted by magellan

Let me guess, boxed set of Glen Beck DVD's on your Christmas list?

Actually, a dvd set of the "Manchurian Candidate". I forget how it ends. Also requested a copy of the book "Bamboozled: How Americans are being Exploited by the Lies of the Liberal Agenda"!

Thanks for asking. Merry Christmas.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by magellan

Yes, I'm serious. How about posting something other than links to political hack websites. Where does Detroit stand on environmental policies? Gay Lesbian rights? Land use? Mass transit? Civil rights? Diversity? Organic farming? Green building? Alternative energy? Abortion?

Thank you.

Detroit sure isn't Conservative!!!! It certainly would be pro-Civil Rights if that's considered "progressive" but it's hard to find Conservatives that don't believe in the Civil Rights movement or who would want the return of Jim Crow. Detroit is very progressive when it comes to issues like welfare, food stamps, Medicaid -- the people there tend to be quite in favor of government programs of all kinds. I would suspect there's no shortage of abortion clinics or abortions in a city like Detroit - that would make it fit the ideal of "progressives".

Even if it's not quite perfect enough in the mind of liberals, it's far more liberal than Holland, Grand Rapids, even Traverse City.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by REIRehabber

Actually, a dvd set of the "Manchurian Candidate". I forget how it ends. Also requested a copy of the book "Bamboozled: How Americans are being Exploited by the Lies of the Liberal Agenda"!

Thanks for asking. Merry Christmas.

Yes, you too. Oh wait, we evil non-conservatives don't believe in Christmas.