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Old 10-11-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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What the HELL are you smoking?

Just because some people are insecure asshats that come from screwed up homes doesn't give them the right to be unkind or bestow their "unkindness" on anyone else. In childhood or adulthood.

Why seek to excuse it?
i'm not excusing it. I'm simply saying that it has to be managed, and will happen. To say it will never happen is unrealistic.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:06 PM
 
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i'm not excusing it. I'm simply saying that it has to be managed, and will happen. To say it will never happen is unrealistic.
Stopping it is very realistic.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:17 PM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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it's the PC society we live in that condemns bullying.

I'll say these things though:

- Human society is hierarchical
- Cruelty is part of human nature
- Nobody has to respect others
- Life is hard

Kids need to be taught this early on, such is the world.

I'm sure when cannibalism was widespread, the last group of cannibals insisted there was nothing anyone could do about it, so why bother.

And that's what bullying is, btw, spiritual cannibalism.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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That's a poor analogy.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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Stopping it is very realistic.
but bad things happen.
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Old 10-11-2010, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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i'm not excusing it. I'm simply saying that it has to be managed, and will happen. To say it will never happen is unrealistic.
So you are throwing up your hands and saying "Eh, we can't stop it, so why try." I hope no child or grandchild of yours is ever harassed to the point of suicide completely unprovoked because he/she was "different".

People should watch the old horror movie "Carrie" to remember what high school/middle school bullying can be like. Unfortuantely, most bullied kids don't have telekenetic powers to retaliate on their bullies, but the character of Carrie--quiet, ostracized, and never left alone for one moment in any context--personifies thousands of kids in our schools who often don't have anyone to turn to. This is not a case of "the spoiled generation" (though I agree that this generation is spoiled and mollycoddled; I would say that usually it's the "spoiled" kids doing the teasing more often than vice versa); it is a case of parents not teaching their kids that some people are not like you and that's OK if they aren't bothering you. And while I don't think teachers need to add one MORE responsibility to their already overworked schedules, there definitely should be a way for concerned teachers to help bullied kids or interfere with bullies without getting in trouble themselves. Too many have a "CYA" attitude and so turn the other cheek because they could get into trouble for "accusing" someone's "precious child" of bullying even when it's blatantly obvious to all.
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Old 10-11-2010, 02:59 PM
 
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I agree... there always was some form of bullying, but in my opinion today's kids cannot handle it the way they could handle it 20-30 years ago.
You can thank our touchy-feely, boo-hoo china doll, mommycarryme society for that. Started in the 60s and the ripple effect is simply continuing; the wussification of this country reached absurd levels years ago. People are all but looking for an excuse to whine and cry ("America: Land of the Offended") and discipline has become not just avoided but detested because of all the spineless, mindless so-called parents out there.....ironically, this often produces both bullies and the kids they bully. Hypersensitive kids (who grow up into the hypersensitive morons saturating our society today) have FAR bigger problems than the occasional butthead bully.

As for "stopping it," you can only try to minimize it; saying it can be completely stopped is blatantly absurd.

PS and oh btw: no child has ever been "bullied into suicide." Being so depressed that you want to end your life takes a lot more than even extreme bullying or shame.
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:03 PM
 
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So you are throwing up your hands and saying "Eh, we can't stop it, so why try."
No, he's saying "simply that it has to be managed, and will happen. To say it will never happen is unrealistic." I thought that was pretty clear.

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People should watch the old horror movie "Carrie" to remember what high school/middle school bullying can be like.
You can't be serious. Bullying rarely goes that far and oh btw, Carrie had a completely psychotic loon of a mother. THAT was her real problem. Sorry, poor example.

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there definitely should be a way for concerned teachers to help bullied kids or interfere with bullies without getting in trouble themselves. Too many have a "CYA" attitude and so turn the other cheek because they could get into trouble for "accusing" someone's "precious child" of bullying even when it's blatantly obvious to all.
Absolutely, agree 1000%. You can thank our brilliant legal system for that. People are so "sue happy" and schools are esp. immune. Most of those cases should be tossed out on their ear.
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Old 10-11-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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So you are throwing up your hands and saying "Eh, we can't stop it, so why try." I hope no child or grandchild of yours is ever harassed to the point of suicide completely unprovoked because he/she was "different".

People should watch the old horror movie "Carrie" to remember what high school/middle school bullying can be like. Unfortuantely, most bullied kids don't have telekenetic powers to retaliate on their bullies, but the character of Carrie--quiet, ostracized, and never left alone for one moment in any context--personifies thousands of kids in our schools who often don't have anyone to turn to. This is not a case of "the spoiled generation" (though I agree that this generation is spoiled and mollycoddled; I would say that usually it's the "spoiled" kids doing the teasing more often than vice versa); it is a case of parents not teaching their kids that some people are not like you and that's OK if they aren't bothering you. And while I don't think teachers need to add one MORE responsibility to their already overworked schedules, there definitely should be a way for concerned teachers to help bullied kids or interfere with bullies without getting in trouble themselves. Too many have a "CYA" attitude and so turn the other cheek because they could get into trouble for "accusing" someone's "precious child" of bullying even when it's blatantly obvious to all.
Everybody has painful experiences.
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Old 10-12-2010, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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My niece had a problem with a bully. She tried to ignore it. It escalted to facebook and telling tales about her. My neice found the girl and said, if you don't remove that crap from fb today and leave me alone, I'm going to beat your azz. Needless to say, those things were deleted from her page. She stopped the foolishness. Problem solved.

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