Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-16-2011, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Northern NH
4,550 posts, read 11,717,391 times
Reputation: 3873

Advertisements

Many many horse businesses hire illegas since the pay is low and the hours long and the work hard. I have had horses at barns in the past where Mexicans were used to care for my horses and they worked very hard and I'm not immune to their plight at all, but, I feel I can no longer condone this practice anymore. I brought this up in a horse forum and I was met with great anger with people telling me it is ok since other companies do it, it is ok since our horses use shavings which contribute to global warming so hiring illegals is ok. It is ok to hire illegals since Americans get welfare to sit on their asses so it is ok to hire illegals. Are these valid excuses????
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-16-2011, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
23,416 posts, read 37,087,312 times
Reputation: 15560
Thats the most ridiculous line of reasoning I've heard in a while.
We have an enormous amount of horse farms here, and no, its not ok.
Our unemployment figures stand at 14% in this county, I am sure there are many people born in the US that would love to have the jobs on the farms.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-16-2011, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
17,916 posts, read 24,437,516 times
Reputation: 39038
I tried to get a job on several horse farms in the valley here. I was young, strapping, and had a fair bit of experience with horses and other animals. I told them I would work for the same wages as anyone else (Mexicans). No one would hire me even though they were all 'hiring'. My guess is that they want to get away with paying under minimum. Shady business.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-17-2011, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Kansas
26,062 posts, read 22,263,896 times
Reputation: 26839
Right now, the illegals are drifting into our city into the jobs once held by workers who are more than a little angry. The city south of us is very illegal friendly and had wanted a few years back to give them driver's licenses as a means of "making the roadways" safer. KS gives illegals in-state tuition rates at the colleges here but there is a bill trying to end that. This old "work that Americans won't do" has passed. These people do want the jobs. Many of those people were "laid-off" because they had worked up to a decent wage and vacation and dumping them brought savings to the company. Then the next issue becomes that you cannot get a job working at a company without the ability to speak Spanish. They are not lazy Americans, the employers are getting over by dumping workers with experience and better paid to hire people who work for less and don't ask questions. Yes, it is wrong to hire illegals for any employer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-17-2011, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Northern NH
4,550 posts, read 11,717,391 times
Reputation: 3873
Thanks! I'm confused why so many in the horse industry are so angry at me for even bringing up hiring illegals. I would think the farms would be concerned that they could get in trouble as well
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-17-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
26,329 posts, read 93,909,728 times
Reputation: 17840
Quote:
Originally Posted by kshe95girl View Post
Thats the most ridiculous line of reasoning I've heard in a while.
We have an enormous amount of horse farms here, and no, its not ok.
Our unemployment figures stand at 14% in this county, I am sure there are many people born in the US that would love to have the jobs on the farms.

Not for $6/hour they wouldn't.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-17-2011, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
26,329 posts, read 93,909,728 times
Reputation: 17840
Quote:
Originally Posted by ABQConvict View Post
I tried to get a job on several horse farms in the valley here. I was young, strapping, and had a fair bit of experience with horses and other animals. I told them I would work for the same wages as anyone else (Mexicans). No one would hire me even though they were all 'hiring'. My guess is that they want to get away with paying under minimum. Shady business.

Or they may have considered you a flight risk - they may have thought you wouldn't stick it out as long as an undocumented worker would.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-17-2011, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
23,416 posts, read 37,087,312 times
Reputation: 15560
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles View Post
Not for $6/hour they wouldn't.
I was speaking of Florida farms, and yes, they would, for min wage.
Please show me how I am mistaken in stating that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-17-2011, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
23,416 posts, read 37,087,312 times
Reputation: 15560
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles View Post
Or they may have considered you a flight risk - they may have thought you wouldn't stick it out as long as an undocumented worker would.
A "flight risk"?
For working on a horse farm?
How does that work?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-17-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
26,329 posts, read 93,909,728 times
Reputation: 17840
Quote:
Originally Posted by kshe95girl View Post
I was speaking of Florida farms, and yes, they would, for min wage.
Please show me how I am mistaken in stating that.

I can't show you but I doubt Americans would work hard labor for $6/hour or whatever the undocumented are working for. If Americans would work for that pay reliably, then employers would certainly hire them and not risk the legal problems of hiring undocumented.

Maybe a teenager would for a summer job.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top