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I am completely baffled at our glorious legal system. In Ohio, we have noticed two high profile criminal cases over the recent months. Now that both have been processed, we have two GUILTY criminals who have committed some of the most heinous crimes that man can commit.
Steubenville Football players: Raped a young girl, who was drunk and unable to defend herself.
Age: 16 and 17
Punishment: per an article "Lipps sentenced Trent to a minimum of two years and possibly up until the age of 21 in the custody of the Ohio Department of Youth Services. Ma'lik was sentenced to a minimum of one year."
This is a complete joke, most people list murder as the "ultimate" offense a human can do, and 1a is rape. Being that throughout history, almost uniformly across the board rape/murder were both met with the most severe punishment and typical the same fate.
TJ Lane/Chardon Ohio School shooting: In summary if you don't know, he shot and killed a couple kids at Chardon high School in Ohio. He is a murderer and was found guilty.
Punishment: life in prison
Age: 17
As you can see, we have two crimes. One is murder, one is rape. At face value, how in the world can we have rapist get this slap on the wrist and punishment equivalent to a petty thief, while the Chardon court got it right and punished TJ with a prevailing, fitting sentence of life?
You people want to know why rape is common place? You want to know why this society is so corrupt, sick and pitiful? You want to know why people aren't discourage from violence?
This is why. This is the proverbial miscarriage of justice in Steubenville, this is what tells the next batch of boys that if you essentially do the worst thing you can short of killing a woman, you will simple be out in time to get legally drunk on your 21st birthday.
Another sign of the times, another black eye on the justice system, another cancer cell infecting the USA's body.
There are rapists, in Ohio, who get put to death or spend the rest of their lives in prison. I don't know the details of the present rape case but the victim may have compromised her credibility with alcohol or by the circumstances of how the rape situation developed. There are murderers who only did a couple of months under supervision. Every case is different.
Wow, and my baffling is becoming more clear. So there are levels of rape? She was asking for it by her clothing-type-of-guy you are? So drinking/being drunk means you are free-for-all piece of meat to the surrounding men?
You sound like an caveman, and an utter moron to spew that kind of nonsense.
This is the legal definition of rape, which the judge and jury felt was met by the criminals in this situation.
"Rape is the commission of unlawful sexual intercourse or unlawful sexual intrusion"
So regardless of the details that literally don't matter, the jury felt this was met you are ok under any circumstance with someone getting 1-4 years for that crime?
Then you don't even bat an eye at TJ Lane? What if he was abused or drunk or something? You can't find it in your heart to give him 1-4 years because you don't know the factors?
These two boys were in juvenile court, there is a big difference in sentencing of juveniles and adults. If they had been tried in adult court there sentencing would have been 5 to 10 years.
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Wow, and my baffling is becoming more clear. So there are levels of rape? She was asking for it by her clothing-type-of-guy you are? So drinking/being drunk means you are free-for-all piece of meat to the surrounding men?
You sound like an caveman, and an utter moron to spew that kind of nonsense.
This is the legal definition of rape, which the judge and jury felt was met by the criminals in this situation.
"Rape is the commission of unlawful sexual intercourse or unlawful sexual intrusion"
So regardless of the details that literally don't matter, the jury felt this was met you are ok under any circumstance with someone getting 1-4 years for that crime?
Then you don't even bat an eye at TJ Lane? What if he was abused or drunk or something? You can't find it in your heart to give him 1-4 years because you don't know the factors?
Disgusting...
The Ohio kids were tried as juveniles. According to sentencing precedents for juveniles, they received an appropriate sentence. I personally think the only reason to try a juvenile as an adult in most cases is if their are a few prior convictions.
I'm sorry but there is something to be said about not putting yourself in a bad situation in the first place. The boys were obviously wrong for what they did but the girl placed herself into a vulnerable position. That is NOT "blaming the victim" that is stating a FACT.
The Ohio kids were tried as juveniles. According to sentencing precedents for juveniles, they received an appropriate sentence. I personally think the only reason to try a juvenile as an adult in most cases is if their are a few prior convictions.
I'm sorry but there is something to be said about not putting yourself in a bad situation in the first place. The boys were obviously wrong for what they did but the girl placed herself into a vulnerable position. That is NOT "blaming the victim" that is stating a FACT.
Ok, sending your kids to school is a vulnerable position, but no one mentions that. You cannot blame a victim for a crime. That is illogical, is getting shot in the head a crime or merely an unfortunate, vulnerable position the person's head was put in?
She got drunk like 99.99999% of HS kid do, all the time and probably did several times without getting raped.
These two boys were in juvenile court, there is a big difference in sentencing of juveniles and adults. If they had been tried in adult court there sentencing would have been 5 to 10 years.
Exactly, how can they be minors (under 18) and down the road TJ Lane be 17 and an "adult"? How can we have a definition that is not defined?
Can a 17 year old go to the store and say, im going to be an adult right now and buy cigarettes? The sad part is, the clerk would go to jail longer than a juvenile rapist.
This is so embarrassing, so disgusting and such an outrage I can't even describe the heinous disrespect the girls family must feel.
They will be out in time to rape again in college.
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Ok, sending your kids to school is a vulnerable position, but no one mentions that. You cannot blame a victim for a crime. That is illogical, is getting shot in the head a crime or merely an unfortunate, vulnerable position the person's head was put in?
She got drunk like 99.99999% of HS kid do, all the time and probably did several times without getting raped.
Good lord.
Most sensible people realize there is a major difference in the risk you take by sending your kids to a school and going to an unsupervised party which alcohol is being served with strangers. A crime was indeed committed, but if you do not want to be a victim of the crime, people need to realize that there are things you do that increase your risk of being a crime victim.
Most sensible people realize there is a major difference in the risk you take by sending your kids to a school and going to an unsupervised party which alcohol is being served with strangers. A crime was indeed committed, but if you do not want to be a victim of the crime, people need to realize that there are things you do that increase your risk of being a crime victim.
BTW I do NOT think 99.9% of HS kids get drunk.
There may be a difference in risk, but there is still a risk sending your kid outside of your direct supervision. Both meet this criteria.
I was exaggerating, but the majority of HS kids party and indulge whether frequently or not. I'm not that far removed from the action...
Additionally, unsupervised at this age isn't much different from the college bar scene. It is essentially, out of control drinking and as long as you don't fight or break things you will not be stopped. While clearly there is a level of risk with a bar versus going to the library, no one, within the boundaries of the USA should anticipate rape even while drinking alcohol.
These weren't strangers from what I understand, this was an end of the summer party which probably had the usual suspects frequent.
So while you do everything other than say 'she asked for it', the kids committed a crime that is second only to murder and skated out of it under the juvenile court BS.
Exactly, how can they be minors (under 18) and down the road TJ Lane be 17 and an "adult"? How can we have a definition that is not defined?
Can a 17 year old go to the store and say, im going to be an adult right now and buy cigarettes? The sad part is, the clerk would go to jail longer than a juvenile rapist.
This is so embarrassing, so disgusting and such an outrage I can't even describe the heinous disrespect the girls family must feel.
They will be out in time to rape again in college.
We have to draw a line somewhere, in this country, most children are concidered minors until the age of 18 and different laws apply to minors in regards to sentencing.
It sound to me as if you would treat all crimes the same, so if a 7 year old shoots and kills another person this child should be tried for capital murder. Yes, there are conditions that lead to gray areas in the law when it comes to minors and each one has to be looked at for what it is.
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