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Isreal wouldn't last one month without the billions of $ of aid that we send them each month, and the dozesn of nukes that we GAVE them
the jews tried to come here, after WW2, and we turned them away. If the Arabs had any sense, they'd pay each Jew a million $ to move to S. America or Asia. :-) It would cost them much less in the end, and the money just flows out of the ground, so why not end the problem? Then THEY can fight with the Palestinians, and the Palestinians can find out just how good they've had it under the Jews.
Do u have a link to back up that info of billions? Yes we send military and economic aid to many countries.
Also Private aid is sent too..
Even without that aid feel Israel can stand their own against the ME folks who would like to wipe them off the face of the earth. They are a strong people and wish them well against all enemies!
In Genesis 17:7-8, God gave to the Israelites the land of Canaan, which has approximately the same boundaries as modern Israel plus Samaria and Judea. I don't know whether or not God regrets His decision, but I think not. His people have vexed him mightily, but in the end, after chastisement, he has always taken them back.
True, Israel was destroyed several times: the Babylonians, Persians, Romans. And it has in recent times been occupied and ruled by descendants of Ismael. Everytime, however, it has been restored to the Israelites. This leads me to believe that God intends for them to keep it forever, as He promised.
To me, the fact that this small and hated branch of humanity has been able through virtually all of recored history to possess this land is proof enough that God did indeed give it to them. How else can it be explained?
And, being God, I think it is very unlikely that can it be called a bad idea. It is, after all, God's idea.
And what about the fact that Jews killed Jesus and the Talmud has some texts and doctrines that are anti Christian?
Every religion has glaring aspects of problematic views and ideologies. All religions have been used to harbor and spread hate throughout history.
I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I think all of the 3 main Abrahamic faiths have their hypocrisies and flaws and problematic ideologies and beliefs and antagonistic views and clashing divides between each other.
You have a very good point. (But -- didn't the Romans kill Jesus?) The old saying is that more people have been killed in history in the name of God than all the other reasons combined. Don't know if that is true, but you get the idea.
In the modern era, I believe Islam alone is still barbaristic in that fundamentalist adherents demand the death of non-believers (are there other mainstream religions with this characteristic?)
No. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and the only country that allows Arab women to vote (notice, it isn't even an Arab country!). It is the only nation in the Middle East where LGBT people are not imprisoned, killed or beaten just for being who they are. And even if we didn't help create Israel, we'd still have this Muslim extremism. Just look at this man, who was working with Hitler to plan to exterminate Jews in the Middle East once Hitler had achieved his goal in Europe:Haj Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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And what about the fact that Jews killed Jesus and the Talmud has some texts and doctrines that are anti Christian?
Every religion has glaring aspects of problematic views and ideologies. All religions have been used to harbor and spread hate throughout history.
I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I think all of the 3 main Abrahamic faiths have their hypocrisies and flaws and problematic ideologies and beliefs and antagonistic views and clashing divides between each other.
Go learn some history. Jews didn't kill Jesus; the Romans did.
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Creating a new Israel was not a bad idea, insisting that it be placed where the old Israel once existed, was.
It couldn't have happened any other way. Are you saying jews, who have a history of being in Israel many years ago, should have chosen another place? They never would have chosen another place to go and build a country because the history of their people is tied to that region of the world.
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Go learn some history. Jews didn't kill Jesus; the Romans did.
True the Romans did the killing but the orders came from jews.
True the Romans did the killing but the orders came from jews.
No; ONE Jew, Judas, betrayed him. And not all of the Jews wanted Jesus to be killed--it was the wealthy Pharisees (the equivalent to today's Ultra-Orthodox Jews). Many normal Jews at the time agreed with Jesus' teachings (which were, essentially, the same as Reform Judaism today), as they were oppressed by the Pharisees.
Israel has a diabolical history. Zionists are the problem. They feel that they can do anything at all, and get away with it. They are just as bad as the Nazis.
Just as bad as the Nazis? The Nazis who threw large numbers of living children into fires and watched them burn? And you're making excuses for that? Zionism is ordinary boring politics. To equate Nazis with Zionists is a way of saying the Nazis weren't really as bad as they seemed, and that it's not really so bad to throw living children into fires and watch them burn. Is that really your point of view? Or are you just a misguided child who doesn't understand history and is condemned to repeat it? Are you going to at least feel guilty while you watch them burn? Or is your only regret going to be that you can only burn each child once?
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yes!!!
Yes, because it has forced many Palestine's out of their own homes. The Israelis have no right to call Palestine Israel! On the other hand, It would be nice if everyone became agnostic, scientific and lived together side by side... But that's not human nature!
They can't all become agnostic. If we get rid of religion, there will be a war between the agnostics and the atheists.
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In my opinion, the biggest mistake was the creation of the League of Nations mandates in the Middle East after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Most of the religious and political extremism is based on that mistake. The creation of Israel alongside its US backed neighborhood policy was just the tip of the iceberg. The politics of post-mandate Middle Eastern countries and US backed Israel just don't mix well...
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No. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and the only country that allows Arab women to vote (notice, it isn't even an Arab country!). It is the only nation in the Middle East where LGBT people are not imprisoned, killed or beaten just for being who they are. And even if we didn't help create Israel, we'd still have this Muslim extremism. Just look at this man, who was working with Hitler to plan to exterminate Jews in the Middle East once Hitler had achieved his goal in Europe:Haj Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's not true that Israel is the only country where LGBT people are not imprisoned, killed or beaten to death. It's not true that it's the only democracy in the Middle East. Also, it's not the only country in the Middle East where women are allowed to vote.
However, it is true that Israel is doing best in most of those categories.
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No; ONE Jew, Judas, betrayed him. And not all of the Jews wanted Jesus to be killed--it was the wealthy Pharisees (the equivalent to today's Ultra-Orthodox Jews). Many normal Jews at the time agreed with Jesus' teachings (which were, essentially, the same as Reform Judaism today), as they were oppressed by the Pharisees.
Technically, Pontius Pilatus asked the crowd to choose between releasing Barabbas or Jesus. They decided to release Barabbas. Accusing "the Jews" of killing Jesus is still a very silly thing to do...
In my opinion, the biggest mistake was the creation of the League of Nations mandates in the Middle East after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Most of the religious and political extremism is based on that mistake. The creation of Israel alongside its US backed neighborhood policy was just the tip of the iceberg. The politics of post-mandate Middle Eastern countries and US backed Israel just don't mix well...
It's not true that Israel is the only country where LGBT people are not imprisoned, killed or beaten to death. It's not true that it's the only democracy in the Middle East. Also, it's not the only country in the Middle East where women are allowed to vote.
However, it is true that Israel is doing best in most of those categories.
Technically, Pontius Pilatus asked the crowd to choose between releasing Barabbas or Jesus. They decided to release Barabbas. Accusing "the Jews" of killing Jesus is still a very silly thing to do...
Says towards the bottom of the article: "In no Arab country do women have equal rights to men." In Iran and Turkey, things are a bit better, as the populace is more educated, but there is still rampant inequality between men and women.
Personally, I think it would've been better for everyone had we given the Jews their own little Jewish island, like Madagascar for example.
Your name is peace and love, but you sure don't have any love for blacks and Jews. Putting the Jews in Madagascar would have displaced far more people than putting the Jews in their traditional territory. BTW, no one put the Jews anywhere. Palestine was set aside for a Jewish state in the 1920s because of WW1, and it was quite desolate and unpopulated at the time. As more Jews moved in and improved the land, more Arabs moved in as well.
After WW2, the Jews had enough of yet another group trying to wipe them off the face of the earth, so they declared their own statehood as was their legal right granted 25 years earlier under international law. More and more Jews are moving to Israel, not so much because they want to relocate, but because they continue to face persecution even in tolerant countries like Sweden.
If anything think this was a bad idea, stop your persecution.
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