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Old 01-15-2015, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Brothels are primitive businesses. They have nothing to do with 'forwardness'. If you want a prostitute or an escort, just pay her and take her to a hotel (dunno if that's illegal in the US?). No need for a brothel.

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I would make the argument that we need prostitution legal in the United States do to the fact it would help curb crime, make working conditions safe for the prostitute and their client, have less people going to jail and clogging up the court system, and generate revenue vs revenue that is lost trying to enforce laws that make prostitution illegal. The whole taking a hooker to a hotel room invites a lot of risk that is removed if prostitution happens in a controlled environment like a brothel. So in essence I would say legalized prostitution would be "forwardness" vs the current "backwardness" with the way prostitution is currently handled in the United States.

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Old 01-15-2015, 10:24 PM
 
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No women in general are much more hostile to the idea of prostitution being legal then men are. The US was extremely religious in the 19th century and yet brothels were not uncommon regardless of the fact religious leaders weren't fond of them. The reason why it's illegal today isn't just do to religion or else the democrats would've made it legal and it's not just because of female liberal voters or else republicans would've made it legal. It's the combination of both religion and feminism that keeps prostitution from being legal in the United States.
I don't agree that women are generally hostile to regulated prostitution being legal. In a Canadian poll 45% of women were pro legalization, 55% of men were for it, that's not a tremendous difference. It seems neither gender is terribly eager for legalization. Most women don't have a problem with the current legalized brothels. Women are more concerned with forced prostitution, and abuse of women in the unregulated practice than women who chose to do it legally, and are in control of the situation. I think the main reason there is little call for legalization is because most people of either gender have never really given the idea much thought. I would imagine for many people a main concern would be public health rather than morals.
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Old 01-15-2015, 10:34 PM
 
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I find it interesting that two, or more people can legally have sex for pay if it is filmed for porn, but prostitution is illegal in most places. I know there are specific legal reasons for this that came out of court cases, but it really is ridiculous when one thinks about it.
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Old 01-15-2015, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I don't agree that women are generally hostile to regulated prostitution being legal. In a Canadian poll 45% of women were pro legalization, 55% of men were for it, that's not a tremendous difference.
That's Canada, we are talking about prostitution being legal in the United States not about being legal in Canada. In the United States were prostitution is legal it's in heavily Republican controlled areas and some of the more famous brothel owners are staunch republicans. In contrast no area of the United States that is controlled by democrats will even semi seriously consider legalizing prostitution due to fear of losing the women vote.

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It seems neither gender is terribly eager for legalization. Most women don't have a problem with the current legalized brothels.
Indeed most of the women living around the brothels live in Republican controlled counties and the brothels provide a lot of revenue for those counties so that is why they don't necessarily want them shut down.

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Women are more concerned with forced prostitution, and abuse of women in the unregulated practice than women who chose to do it legally, and are in control of the situation.
Women also tend to view prostitution as degrading just like women tend to view strip clubs as degrading to women. So that is why they are generally not very supportive of prostitution.

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I think the main reason there is little call for legalization is because most people of either gender have never really given the idea much thought. I would imagine for many people a main concern would be public health rather than morals.
It's been thought of before by people but your right that people just don't give it much thought so instead we are left with prostitution being illegal making it dangerous for the prostitute and client while also wasting revenue trying to stop prostitution when there could be a profit to be made off it in a safe non exploitative manner. As far as public health concerns go there hasn't been a case of STDs where it's legal in Nevada for decades so as far as public health goes it's far safer using the Nevada model then randomly picking someone up for a one night stand in a bar.
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Old 01-15-2015, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I find it interesting that two, or more people can legally have sex for pay if it is filmed for porn, but prostitution is illegal in most places. I know there are specific legal reasons for this that came out of court cases, but it really is ridiculous when one thinks about it.
Agreed it is ridiculous since pornography is essentially voyeur prostitution since a person/s are getting paid for sex acts that you watch.
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:03 PM
 
Location: The Grand Canyon State
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Cigarettes are "licensed and taxed" but that doesn't stop illegal untaxed cigarettes being sold. In fact, the high taxes on cigarettes encourage illegal sales. Same for marijuana in Colorado. Do you seriously think prostitution would be the exception?

So you'd have licensed, taxed, and inspected brothels and massage parlors but you would still have competition from untaxed street walkers and back-alley massage parlors. Why would a pimp or a massage parlor owner pay prostitution tax voluntarily?
You are correct but the majority would not use unlicensed establishments but still it could be dealt with like being unlicensed and doing any business but even those girls would not be in danger like today they would be able to go to the police. If you talk to anyone who has been an escort they will tell you a story about being raped and could not do anything about it.

Someone else made the statement that a Woman would only turn to legal prostitution if she was in debt. I don't think that is true while many woman feel sex without love is not for them I have been with a few woman who are very comfortable having sex with no connection to the male. If a woman is comfortable with it why should it be illegal.

Someone else made a statement that in WA heavy enforcement of massage parlors but that isn't a way to measure the willingness of the people to legalize it. That is just the police trying to enforce the laws and in reality its easy thing for the Police with low risk.

Religion has always been against it because it breaks up the family and people will have less kids to be born into the religion.

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Old 01-15-2015, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Garbage, NC
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Yes. I think it should be legal. I personally think it's disgusting, but I don't think it's anyone'e else's right to say that someone can't have sex for money. Especially not when porn is legal. I think, if a woman has dinner with a man, and the man says, I will pay you XXXXX amount of money for sex, then the woman should be able to say yes or no without worrying about the police swooping in.
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Old 01-16-2015, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Yes. I think it should be legal. I personally think it's disgusting, but I don't think it's anyone'e else's right to say that someone can't have sex for money. Especially not when porn is legal. I think, if a woman has dinner with a man, and the man says, I will pay you XXXXX amount of money for sex, then the woman should be able to say yes or no without worrying about the police swooping in.
This is logical, but logic and politics do not always concur. If we can't get legal prostitution here in Washington state(where we legalized pot), and in fact have just the reverse--a relentless War on Prostitution--it's not coming anywhere, anytime soon in the USA.
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Old 01-16-2015, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Keeping it illegal means the entire practice will have to retain discretion. It didn't take more than a month once CA announced it would no longer enforce marijuana laws before we needed to chase away Cannabis Club sign holders to not operate in front of our business. Do you really want a different type of Quickee Mart setting up shop across the street from you...neon ablaze?
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Old 01-16-2015, 08:59 AM
 
Location: moved
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Keeping it illegal means the entire practice will have to retain discretion. It didn't take more than a month once CA announced it would no longer enforce marijuana laws before we needed to chase away Cannabis Club sign holders to not operate in front of our business. Do you really want a different type of Quickee Mart setting up shop across the street from you...neon ablaze?
This is the notorious NIMBY argument. I wouldn't wish for our local jurisdiction to build a municipal sewage plant or a garbage-dump adjacent to my property either. Yet there's no argument that the city needs sewage plants and garbage dumps. I wouldn't wish to an interstate to run next to my house. Yet we need a highway system. Even unsavory, polluting, unsightly or toxic enterprises may serve an essential and laudable purpose. Ultimately they have to be in somebody's backyard. Just because that choice is difficult, doesn't mean that the enterprise under consideration should be abandoned.
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