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Old 01-16-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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Why is porn legal but not prostitution?
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Isn't prostitution amoral and dangerous from a disease and predator standpoint? Aren't their self extreme , character,relationship and seesawing income issues ? .........nevermind.
A SWF tech savant who spends Friday nights and weekends looking for Mr. Goodbar in the local singles hook-up bars is just as vulnerable to disease, predation and self-esteem issues. Prostitution has a higher "ick factor" because of the scorn from civilians on the outside. As I understand it, in North Dakota the strippers out-earn the doctors and the dentists and the hookers flat out out earn everyone else in the state. That creates a lot of jealousy and envy. The scales of virtue must be balanced somehow. In return for all that cash up front the hooker has to part with a big chunk of her soul. Or does she.... I wonder if there are call girls out there who do not have drug habits, do not drink excessively... dare I hope...don't smoke and that try to get other forms of exercise besides what is intrinsic to the vocation... I mean... there are homeless women putting their kids through college from their panhandling remittances... there must be prostitutes that are only in it for the money and do not let the "ick factor" destroy them... ????

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Old 01-16-2015, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Another serious reason I'd like to see the industry legal, controlled, and regulated, is that illegal human trafficking has gone on quietly forever, we had busts here in Colorado Springs not long ago. A thriving black market for sex can only fuel this. Legal prostitution may not eliminate it, but perhaps it would reduce it.
Colorado Springs had a policy of tolerance until the early eighties. They did not, however, allow obvious sreetwalking.

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Another interesting point to me is that Seattle in the 50's and 60's had a 'tolerance policy' whereby prostitution and other vices were allowed to go on. The political spin of the time was that tolerance was better, because otherwise it would create a void that would allow East Coast mafia to move in on Seattle. There's a great little book about the history that I read recently:
Seattle Vice by Rick Anderson - Book - eBook - Random House

According to the book a downtown hotel (the 'LaSalle') was actually a brothel, and there would be lines around the block to get in when a big ship full of sea men docked in Seattle. Everyone including the police, knew what was up, but it was generally tolerated.

The tolerance policy came to an end by the 1980's or so in part because it generated corruption among cops, and in part I think because by then Seattle politics had changed, and it became a one party town.
Until the early eighties prostitution was generally tolerated in western and southern (read Bible belt) states. Apart from Nevada, Colorado, Utah, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming, probably other states as well, had brothels that had been in the same place for years (over a century in a few instances in Montana). In Lusk, Wyoming, a local madame bailed out the city when their water system was falling apart. In Price, Utah where future right wing governor J. Bracken Lee was mayor for twelve years, streetwalking wasn't allowed. Prostitutes needed to be discreet. Price had essentially the same policy for gambling and teenage drinking. For those who are surprised at this in Utah, I'll mention that until at least the mid-seventies there were punch boards in restaurants, bars, and corner stores all over Salt Lake. It is interesting to note that J. Bracken ''Brack'' Lee was mayor of Salt Lake until 1973. After two terms as governor he became mayor of Salt Lake for twelve years. Brack was a strong and effective supporter of Bob Taft for the 1952 Republican presidential nomination. Had Taft received the nomination he had an excellent chance to be his running mate. Since Taft died in early 1953 he would have become president. Although one of only two Utah governors who haven't been Mormons he is still considered by many Utahans to have been the best Utah governor since Brigham Young.

It seems that the brothels in western states except Nevada closed at about the height of the AIDS scare. I'm not saying that that was the reason; I'm merely pointing it out.

Brothels in Helena were shut down after the Wall Street Journal ran an article about one that had passed the century mark.

Conservatives have been the most tolerant. Butte, Montana was always an industrial city with a heavy Democratic vote, but the copper companies always supported tolerance.

I'm 71 years old and have never patronized a prostitute as I was happily married for forty-two years until my wife's death. I consider a person's body to be the property of that person who has the absolute right to put in or take out anything. I'd simply repeal laws against prostitution. The government is not supposed to own us.

I read a fascinating ''political'' biography of J. Bracken Lee; I recommend it highly.

http://smile.amazon.com/Let-holler-p...j.+bracken+lee

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Old 01-17-2015, 12:30 AM
 
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  • Prostitution is already legal, just heavily regulated. It's called the porno industry.
  • Dealing drugs is already legal, just heavily regulated. They're called the alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical industries.
  • Mass murder for profit is already legal, just renamed for political correctness. We call them undeclared, unfunded, preemptive strikes/conflicts/wars/buzzword du jours, in the name of spreading peace and democracy. In other words, both "peace through force" and "do as I say, not as I do."
  • "Welfare" and "entitlements" are the words most frequently attributed to a system where in reality money is taken from the middle and upper classes and subsequently redistributed amongst the upper classes almost to exclusion.
  • "International aid" often begets the enrichment of corporate entities, third-world dictators, and various hostile groups at the expense of those who are either giving or intended to receive. Deficit spending is barely different.
  • The criminal justice system touts itself as a rehabilitative service while being engineered to control, enslave, and selectively profit from a majority of those who have the misfortune of passing through the system.
Move along though, nothing to see here...
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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YES! Just the fact that so many men are paying for professional cuddlers is showing that many men are extremely isolated, unloved, and lonely. It's been scientifically proven that humans can not be mentally healthy without affection or intimate touching, for long periods of time. I don't even mean sexual touching, just something more than a friendly hug. Women too have this problem too but men are more likely to act out in a violent fashion like rape or assault when they do not get intimate contact. Women usually just turn to self-destructive behaviors and depression.
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Old 01-17-2015, 07:45 PM
 
Location: The Grand Canyon State
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Until the early eighties prostitution was generally tolerated in western and southern (read Bible belt) states. Apart from Nevada, Colorado, Utah, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming, probably other states as well, had brothels that had been in the same place for years (over a century in a few instances in Montana). In Lusk, Wyoming, a local madame bailed out the city when their water system was falling apart. In Price, Utah where future right wing governor J. Bracken Lee was mayor for twelve years, streetwalking wasn't allowed. Prostitutes needed to be discreet. Price had essentially the same policy for gambling and teenage drinking. For those who are surprised at this in Utah, I'll mention that until at least the mid-seventies there were punch boards in restaurants, bars, and corner stores all over Salt Lake. It is interesting to note that J. Bracken ''Brack'' Lee was mayor of Salt Lake until 1973. After two terms as governor he became mayor of Salt Lake for twelve years. Brack was a strong and effective supporter of Bob Taft for the 1952 Republican presidential nomination. Had Taft received the nomination he had an excellent chance to be his running mate. Since Taft died in early 1953 he would have become president. Although one of only two Utah governors who haven't been Mormons he is still considered by many Utahans to have been the best Utah governor since Brigham Young.
I always thought the Church of LDS shut down the Brothels in the old west towns during the early part of the 20th century. It was also the same woman's groups who got prohibition in that was more in favor of getting rid of them.

I noticed where I live they do sweeps around election time on the massage parlors. We had one place where 1 girl took pictures while the guy was with another girl they had a porn contract. Police arrested all of them it's in court now have no idea what happened I'm sure the people running it were faced with some long prison time unless they plea bargain. I know some girls running massage places were facing 20 years in prison unless they took a plea deal.

The reason I posted this debate was a buddy has been dating a escort girl he met at the gym really hot girl I was surprised she was a prostitute. I got to talking to her she told me about how she got started in the business. She was a waitress at hooters and a guy approached her. Told her she could make a lot of money as an escort she thought it was just going on dinner dates he turned out to be a pimp. He beat her and took most of her money. Later she got rid of him after 5 years and she is on her own now. She also told me about a guy who held a gun to her head as he raped her with no condom.

People talk about AIDS but in reality these woman are far more safe then what is going on at local clubs and bars. I know guys I work with who never use a condom. Also know swingers who don't use condoms either far more risk.
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Old 01-18-2015, 02:22 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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  • Prostitution is already legal, just heavily regulated. It's called the porno industry.
Yet that is voyeurism not interactive like having actual sex with a woman. So porn your not paying to have sex with someone but essentially just having a peepshow. Not the same thing.


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  • Dealing drugs is already legal, just heavily regulated. They're called the alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical industries.
Correction they are legal drugs not illegal drugs like Marijuana which is responsible for millions of Americans being arrested and having criminal records and in reality it's negative health effects are less then tobacco so no "dealing drugs" is not completely legal in the US.


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  • Mass murder for profit is already legal, just renamed for political correctness. We call them undeclared, unfunded, preemptive strikes/conflicts/wars/buzzword du jours, in the name of spreading peace and democracy. In other words, both "peace through force" and "do as I say, not as I do."
Which has been going on for centuries throughout the world which makes this statement about useless at the end of the day.

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  • "Welfare" and "entitlements" are the words most frequently attributed to a system where in reality money is taken from the middle and upper classes and subsequently redistributed amongst the upper classes almost to exclusion.
That's strange I don't see rich people using food stamps.

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  • "International aid" often begets the enrichment of corporate entities, third-world dictators, and various hostile groups at the expense of those who are either giving or intended to receive. Deficit spending is barely different.
So I take it you never heard of the US feeding the Soviet Union during it's great famine vs letting them starve to death...even though that might have been in the best interest of the United States.






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The criminal justice system touts itself as a rehabilitative service while being engineered to control, enslave, and selectively profit from a majority of those who have the misfortune of passing through the system.
Control and enslave? Correct me if I'm wrong here but when did the US put a gun to a future criminals head and get them to commit a crime? It's not like people who have been to jail before can't stay out of jail. More then a few ex cons cleaned up there lives and never went back. However I will give you that a lot keep screwing up and going back to jail while blaming everyone but themselves for there problems.

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Move along though, nothing to see here...
I probably should've because your post was about useless but I had to point out the bs in it.
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Old 01-18-2015, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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Considering all the reasons to make it legal and all the reasons not to make it legal, I think it wouldn't hurt to make it legal. My feeling is, though, if you want to keep it illegal, then you should also make it illegal for someone to marry another person much younger when the older person has a much more significant amount of wealth. This would be true no matter what the genders are of the people involved.

This, in my opinion, is no less a form of prostitution.
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Old 01-21-2015, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Default Hey, we found agreement!

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This is the notorious NIMBY argument. I wouldn't wish for our local jurisdiction to build a municipal sewage plant or a garbage-dump adjacent to my property either. Yet there's no argument that the city needs sewage plants and garbage dumps. I wouldn't wish to an interstate to run next to my house. Yet we need a highway system. Even unsavory, polluting, unsightly or toxic enterprises may serve an essential and laudable purpose. Ultimately they have to be in somebody's backyard. Just because that choice is difficult, doesn't mean that the enterprise under consideration should be abandoned.
I didn't realize they placed sewage plants, garbage dumps, industrial manufacturing or highways in retail areas. I can see the tangible benefit of those industries. I like flushing my poop and not storing it at my house.

Tell you what, I 100% agree with a space sharing arrangement. Any prostitution center that wants to locate in the same area as a sewer treatment area should be legalized. Keep all of society's crap together.
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Old 03-01-2015, 09:13 AM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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The middle man is known today as a pimp, and the pimp already gets a cut, but the worker has no protection because there is no legalization, regulation or oversight. The pimp also can treat the worker extremely poorly and get away with it most times.

It depends on the pimp. A good pimp does not treat girls in his stable like his wife, obviously. Good pimps protect their women from being abused/hurt by johns. They'll be the ones that put up bail money if their girls get caught by police. Women that work independently don't have to share their earnings, but they're more at risk to the whims of johns, police etc.

An owner of a Nevada brothel is no different than a street pimp.
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