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Old 03-07-2015, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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With Airbus getting free subsidies from the EU and using that money to bribe airlines into buying their aircraft (such as the recent Delta order, even though neither Delta nor Airbus will admit it), does anyone think that the United States should issue a complete ban on the sale of Airbus aircraft within the country?

I personally think there should be, as these subsidies and bribes are in violation of U.S. laws. In addition, Airbus should be evicted from all of their factories in the United States and should be permanently banned from opening any new factories within our country. At the same time, if Airbus files a complaint to the World Trade Organization, the United States should withdraw, which would make the U.S. immune from any such sanctions that the WTO may impose.

What does anyone here think?

 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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why? they are made in United states.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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why? they are made in United states.
But owned by a European company that uses corrupt business practices in order to remain profitable and win orders from airlines. This should be stopped immediately and Airbus should forever be banned from selling aircraft or conducting any business within the United States.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:27 PM
 
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With Airbus getting free subsidies from the EU and using that money to bribe airlines into buying their aircraft (such as the recent Delta order, even though neither Delta nor Airbus will admit it), does anyone think that the United States should issue a complete ban on the sale of Airbus aircraft within the country?

I personally think there should be, as these subsidies and bribes are in violation of U.S. laws. In addition, Airbus should be evicted from all of their factories in the United States and should be permanently banned from opening any new factories within our country. At the same time, if Airbus files a complaint to the World Trade Organization, the United States should withdraw, which would make the U.S. immune from any such sanctions that the WTO may impose.

What does anyone here think?
The US provides a lot of subsidies for its own businesses, and uses the Commerce Department, via US embassies, to push all kinds of deals throughout the world for US businesses (as in taxpayers are paying the bill for this). There are direct federal subsidies for businesses, all the way down to huge tax breaks at the local level for businesses.

Now, for Boeing; Boeing, Airbus subsidy battle settled by WTO ruling - Mar. 12, 2012

What is this, Boeing receiving billions in subsidies also? Just shocking I tell you.

The WTO has already ruled on the Airbus issue, so it is now in the enforcement stage. Your suggestions are rather ridiculous and would damage the US economy because all that would show is that the minute there is some trade dispute, the US gov will shut down facilities of companies involved in the dispute; what foreign company would ever want to set up shop in the US? I sure as hell would not. As for the US withdrawing from the WTO, absolutely idiotic suggestion and shows you really have a shallow understanding of the WTO and trade in general.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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The WTO has already ruled on the Airbus issue, so it is now in the enforcement stage. Your suggestions are rather ridiculous and would damage the US economy because all that would show is that the minute there is some trade dispute, the US gov will shut down facilities of companies involved in the dispute; what foreign company would ever want to set up shop in the US? I sure as hell would not. As for the US withdrawing from the WTO, absolutely idiotic suggestion and shows you really have a shallow understanding of the WTO and trade in general.
The WTO is controlled by the EU; they hold the most seats and had they have not been present, the WTO would have ruled completely in Boeing's favor. The US should not be held at the mercy of the EU and should be allowed to set up whatever trade rules it feels complies with US law and is beneficial to the U.S. economy.

Also, Airbus bribes airlines into orders with their subsidy money, Boeing does not.
 
Old 03-07-2015, 04:22 PM
 
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The WTO is controlled by the EU; they hold the most seats and had they have not been present, the WTO would have ruled completely in Boeing's favor. The US should not be held at the mercy of the EU and should be allowed to set up whatever trade rules it feels complies with US law and is beneficial to the U.S. economy.

Also, Airbus bribes airlines into orders with their subsidy money, Boeing does not.
Yes, Boeing does get subsidized for its sales, notably through the Import-Export Bank, though this is not called "subsidies". Just look at the percentage of loans that go towards purchasing Boeing products, well over 50%. Also, as I stated, the US gov (that would be the tax payers) uses the Commerce Department to assist US companies in global sales, thus instead of these companies investing their money into this, the US gov does it for them.

The creation of the WTO was spearheaded by the US, so I am not seeing your point. It is only because of the US that the WTO exists. The WTO was built on the back of other trade agreements, all spearheaded by the US.
 
Old 03-08-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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But owned by a European company that uses corrupt business practices in order to remain profitable and win orders from airlines. This should be stopped immediately and Airbus should forever be banned from selling aircraft or conducting any business within the United States.
Isn't that every big business strategy? Tell me a multi billion dollar corp. that didn't get there with at least a little corruption and bending of the rules.
 
Old 03-08-2015, 03:22 PM
 
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No in the end its not going to be successful has too much political considerations involve. In time china aircraft commercial building may surpass. China is quickly decentralizing production to become more competitive than they are now.
 
Old 03-08-2015, 03:39 PM
 
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why? they are made in United states.
There are no Airbus aircraft assembled in the United States. There are many suppliers that provide systems and components to Airbus (Rockwell Collins, Honeywell would be 2 examples), but Airbus' aircraft assembly factories are located in Germany, France and China. Wings are made in the U.K..

Dave
 
Old 03-11-2015, 06:31 PM
 
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There are no Airbus aircraft assembled in the United States.
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