Hawaii Native Status (Congress, activist, military, cost)
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I don't know if anyone really cares much, but I travel to Hawaii every 2 or 3 years and take time to talk with native (relative term, I know) Hawaiians about the controversy as to whether or not they can (or should) secede from the United States.
My thinking is that they should not be allowed to form a new nation and secede. Then again, I think they deserve some special considerations.
I'd like to see them granted tribal status like Indians in the lower 48 have. They can be given tribal lands and depending on how they wish to live can determine what amount of authority they will exercise over the reservations.
I don't know if anyone really cares much, but I travel to Hawaii every 2 or 3 years and take time to talk with native (relative term, I know) Hawaiians about the controversy as to whether or not they can (or should) secede from the United States.
My thinking is that they should not be allowed to form a new nation and secede. Then again, I think they deserve some special considerations.
I'd like to see them granted tribal status like Indians in the lower 48 have. They can be given tribal lands and depending on how they wish to live can determine what amount of authority they will exercise over the reservations.
Does anyone have an interest in this topic?
All native peoples (relative term...since humans are only "native" to Africa) eventually must assimilate into the more dominant culture and learn to prosper while still maintaining the heritage they embrace.....or allow themselves to be subjugated and dependent upon that culture. For good or bad...that is reality.
Very, VERY, few real native Hawaiians exist anymore. And many of them live on specific islands or areas of those islands where they are pretty much left alone to function as they see fit. very much like tribal lands on the mainland. However....even those Hawaiians are highly dependent upon government and U.S. society (like the Native Americans). They really don't want to go back to the days of Kamehameha. It always amuses me when so called natives want to have one foot in the modern day world (along with all the special considerations that world gives them)....yet play the revered ancient indigenous people, that are "one with the land".
All native peoples (relative term...since humans are only "native" to Africa) eventually must assimilate into the more dominant culture and learn to prosper while still maintaining the heritage they embrace.....or allow themselves to be subjugated and dependent upon that culture. For good or bad...that is reality.
Very, VERY, few real native Hawaiians exist anymore. And many of them live on specific islands or areas of those islands where they are pretty much left alone to function as they see fit. very much like tribal lands on the mainland. However....even those Hawaiians are highly dependent upon government and U.S. society (like the Native Americans). They really don't want to go back to the days of Kamehameha. It always amuses me when so called natives want to have one foot in the modern day world (along with all the special considerations that world gives them)....yet play the revered ancient indigenous people, that are "one with the land".
I have noticed that. We got "asked" to leave a 'Hawaiian' only park once. We left.
So if they secede from the U.S. do will still give them government, military, taxes, and other supports? How can they even do this without the whole population of the US granting them privilege? After all it's owned by the US government.
I don't know if anyone really cares much, but I travel to Hawaii every 2 or 3 years and take time to talk with native (relative term, I know) Hawaiians about the controversy as to whether or not they can (or should) secede from the United States.
My thinking is that they should not be allowed to form a new nation and secede. Then again, I think they deserve some special considerations.
I'd like to see them granted tribal status like Indians in the lower 48 have. They can be given tribal lands and depending on how they wish to live can determine what amount of authority they will exercise over the reservations.
Does anyone have an interest in this topic?
I would think they would have to come up with there share of our 20 trillion dollar debt before they go anywhere.
I think it has been proven that the "native" Hawaiians came from Asia. So if they really want to be reparated, why don't they go there?
I don't think it is possible for Hawaii to secede. Succession was tried elsewhere with poor results. And I think it is settled fact that Reservations are not the Utopia that some claim.
I would think they would have to come up with there share of our 20 trillion dollar debt before they go anywhere.
Bill
That's interesting.
I was able to find out that for every $1.00 in taxes people in a state pay to the feds, they get back $1.66 in social services money and other funds. So there is a cost there. Of course, much of that is off bloated over the top social programs where monies are paid out people do not deserve and other fraud, waste & abuse.
As to whether or not a state would be responsible for their "share" of the national debt is unknown (so far as I can tell). One side states the feds could make it a sort of exit tax. Similar to what California charges a business to leave the state. Others argue that since it is "federal" debt, created by the federal government and not the state itself, the feds could not impose such a debt. And if they did it would not have to be paid back.
The whole idea of special set-asides for Native Hawaiians smacks of "separate but equal." It wasn't a good idea then, and it's not a good idea now. Native Hawaiians are Americans, same as anyone else, and should be treated as such.
As for statehood, when the question was put to a vote back in 1959, it passed with something like 93 percent "yes." I see no reason to change that, just because some Native activists are having second thoughts. One can argue as to whether or not a state should be allowed to withdraw from the Union, but at the very very very least, I would think that doing so would (or should) require a supermajority of the voters in that state, plus approval from the U.S. Congress. And I seriously doubt that there is a massive groundswell of support in favor of Hawaiian sovereignty, either in Hawaii itself or in the rest of the country.
The whole idea of special set-asides for Native Hawaiians smacks of "separate but equal." It wasn't a good idea then, and it's not a good idea now. Native Hawaiians are Americans, same as anyone else, and should be treated as such.
As for statehood, when the question was put to a vote back in 1959, it passed with something like 93 percent "yes." I see no reason to change that, just because some Native activists are having second thoughts. One can argue as to whether or not a state should be allowed to withdraw from the Union, but at the very very very least, I would think that doing so would (or should) require a supermajority of the voters in that state, plus approval from the U.S. Congress. And I seriously doubt that there is a massive groundswell of support in favor of Hawaiian sovereignty, either in Hawaii itself or in the rest of the country.
Curious, what do you think of the idea of tribal status, similar to various N. American Indian tribes?
What the United States did to the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1893 was a criminal act and in todays world it wouldn't fly under international law.
I do feel that the Native Hawaiian peoples should be granted the same sovereignty that we have granted to the Native American peoples. Should they secede from the Union, that is totally up to the people of Hawaii, I doubt that it will ever happen.
The Native Hawaiian demise is no different than that of the Native American peoples, the U.S entered into treaties with the Kingdom of Hawaii and the violated the treaties, the U.S set aside lands in Hawaii for the Native Hawaiians then took it away from them, the list of dishonesty goes on and on. This movement of the Hawaiians to reclaim what is rightfully theirs isn't anything new, it's been going on for a hundred years. Just because Hawaii is a State doesn't mean that it can not set aside sovereign lands for it's indigenous peoples.
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