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Old 12-04-2015, 04:32 PM
 
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Personally, I think the relationship between the House of Saud and the US - especially our Presidents is far too close. I think the relationship should be used to pressure this Home of Islam to come out strongly against violence.

Forget their record on equal rights and capital punishment:
-Saudi provided 17 of the 19 9/11 hijackers,
-They also provide a high (per capita) percentage of IS recruits.
-They tolerate hate speech by their Imams and their population is simmering below the surface with hateful attitudes.
-They fund fundamentalist religious schools and Mosques worldwide.

The US President should have a one-on-one discussion with the King and push them to change (it would work as we can do without them but they cannot do without us).
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Old 12-04-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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That's another issue none of the religious leaders in the middle east come out against ISIS in fact many of them chant death to america, but then we sell F-15's to Saudi.
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Old 12-05-2015, 09:48 AM
 
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OP, who is "we"?
World economy is controlled by international cartels, roughly 1400+, out of those about 130 being a core and about 50 being super core.
Those have no regard to any country boarders or laws as the only law they obey is the law of profit.
That's by the way result of someone so much beloved free market as free market can not and will not be limited by political and legal boarders.
So those "we" do what serves them and we the people are served cheap chew gum for lay minds to think and believe that anything we decide has any meaning and relevance.
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Old 12-06-2015, 04:10 PM
 
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Personally, I think the relationship between the House of Saud and the US - especially our Presidents is far too close. I think the relationship should be used to pressure this Home of Islam to come out strongly against violence.

Forget their record on equal rights and capital punishment:
-Saudi provided 17 of the 19 9/11 hijackers,
-They also provide a high (per capita) percentage of IS recruits.
-They tolerate hate speech by their Imams and their population is simmering below the surface with hateful attitudes.
-They fund fundamentalist religious schools and Mosques worldwide.

The US President should have a one-on-one discussion with the King and push them to change (it would work as we can do without them but they cannot do without us).
There is no way to get the Saudis to stop exporting Wahhabi Salafi extremism. It is not an isolationist ideology that can be content with dominating a particular small area while tolerating different beliefs in other places. They will continue to support extremism to the extent that their financial capabilities allow. Making them voluntarily stop is an immposibility. There is nothing that can be peacefully done to make them curb that behavior.


So long as the world needs fossil fuels, Saudi Arabia will possess the wealth and the will to support extremism around the world.
I think ultimately there will need to be a violent revolution from within Saudi society or some external group that invades and destroys that state. But both scenarios involve too much instability and uncertainty and would never be supported by the west while we are dependent on oil.
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Old 12-17-2015, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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"That's another issue none of the religious leaders in the middle east come out against ISIS in fact many of them chant death to america, but then we sell F-15's to Saudi."

And GAVE a whole squadron of F-16s to the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. It was not an Arab Spring that Obama wanted, it was a terrorist Decade!.
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