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Old 12-27-2015, 07:08 PM
 
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The trend is toward demonizing whites and paying people to claim that they aren't white. America has elected a man president, twice, who is half white yet swears he is black. Why not encourage people to claime whiteness and expand the white tent rather than shrink it?
You seem to be confused on how it came to be that a person like Obama who is half black/white is considered black by American society.

Historic racial classifications and social engineering based on race is why no one considers him white. The class in power (white Americans) created the classifications that determined that anyone who had outward black features or skin was to be considered "black" in our society. Obama could call himself white all day but American society will still consider him black. Likewise for anyone who is part black, whether it be 50%, 25% or 10%, unless their black traits are recessive and not readily apparent. This sort of racial classification is unlikely to ever change as it is culturally ingrained into our society. If any part of you is black in America, then you're black.

 
Old 12-27-2015, 07:35 PM
 
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You seem to be confused on how it came to be that a person like Obama who is half black/white is considered black by American society.

Historic racial classifications and social engineering based on race is why no one considers him white. The class in power (white Americans) created the classifications that determined that anyone who had outward black features or skin was to be considered "black" in our society. Obama could call himself white all day but American society will still consider him black. Likewise for anyone who is part black, whether it be 50%, 25% or 10%, unless their black traits are recessive and not readily apparent. This sort of racial classification is unlikely to ever change as it is culturally ingrained into our society. If any part of you is black in America, then you're black.
It is not just an American classification. In what other countries would he or anyone else who is half black and half white be considered white?
 
Old 12-27-2015, 11:08 PM
 
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There's a lot of talk about Latinos being considered white in the future of America because of assimilation or intermarriage, but since a substantial amount of Latinos are of Native(Mayan/Andean) or Triracial/Trigueno descent, would that mean that non-hispanic Native Americans/Metis and non-hispanic Biracials/Mulattos/Creoles will be considered "white" as well in the same process.

If not, wouldn't that be unfair to exclude mixed/full Native Americans and Biracial/Creole people from identifying as "white" while their Latino look-a-likes get to enjoy that benefit?



Why not let each individual worry about the issue for his or herself?


I think you're confusing Latinos with Hispanics. They aren't the same thing.


Latino's are an ethnic grouping. Hispanics are a language grouping. Either group of people can be multiracial of course, and they decide how they want to identify on the census.


Latino's are descendants of native central and South American peoples.
Hispanics are people who speak Spanish as a primary language, and they can come from Spain or any of it's former colonies. Generally this includes all parts of central and South America, with the exception of Brazil. Brazilians speak Portuguese.
 
Old 12-28-2015, 06:50 AM
AFP
 
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I did not know there were specifics, I'm sorry.
I'm not offended if someone thinks I'm Latino/Hispanic because that person doesn't know that Portuguese people have a unique (culture/language/history) after all in most parts we aren't very common and some Latinos/Hispanics do look like us. What I object to is having a label that I did not choose being applied to describe me against my will, that I will fight against very forcefully and make no apologies for rudeness if necessary. The term Hispanic doesn't at all describe my culture, history, language accurately.
 
Old 12-28-2015, 07:17 AM
 
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I'm not offended if someone thinks I'm Latino/Hispanic because that person doesn't know that Portuguese people have a unique (culture/language/history) after all in most parts we aren't very common and some Latinos/Hispanics do look like us. What I object to is having a label that I did not choose being applied to describe me against my will, that I will fight against very forcefully and make no apologies for rudeness if necessary. The term Hispanic doesn't at all describe my culture, history, language accurately.
Most folks in the USA think Spain is in South America. They also think Brazilians speak Spanish. And lastly, they have no clue about Portugal.
 
Old 12-28-2015, 08:45 AM
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Yes I know I've lived in the USA 39 years(naturalized American here) I'm quite familiar with how uninformed uninterested and ethnocentric many Americans are , however that doesn't stop some of these folks from voicing their ignorant opinions forcefully.
 
Old 12-28-2015, 08:54 AM
 
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Most folks in the USA think Spain is in South America. They also think Brazilians speak Spanish. And lastly, they have no clue about Portugal.
Amazing that you know what most of the over 300 million people in the USA think! I had no idea the knowledge I have on the subjects you've named is so unique. Wow!
 
Old 12-28-2015, 08:55 PM
 
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Everyone thinks differently.

I'm Chicano/Mexican
I am not pure. Who know what Im mixed with. My grandmother is brown and could pass as Navajo.
My grandfather looked Mestizo leaning towards european.
My father brown, mother looked european white.

Anyway the point is... I don't know what I am. Everyone labels me something differently.

A lot of black people just see light skin tones and call you white.
My facial attributes are not like that of Europeans though.

European/Anglo/White Americans automatically cast me aside as something else.
Most guess latino/Hispanic. Others ask if I'm mixed.

So it just depends on who you ask.

If it benefits someone(Politics), they'll accept you.
If it doesn't... well they usually separate you.

We are the buffer zones in White/Black neighborhoods in cities.

That's just what I see.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 11:22 PM
 
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There's a lot of talk about Latinos being considered white in the future of America because of assimilation or intermarriage, but since a substantial amount of Latinos are of Native(Mayan/Andean) or Triracial/Trigueno descent, would that mean that non-hispanic Native Americans/Metis and non-hispanic Biracials/Mulattos/Creoles will be considered "white" as well in the same process.

If not, wouldn't that be unfair to exclude mixed/full Native Americans and Biracial/Creole people from identifying as "white" while their Latino look-a-likes get to enjoy that benefit?

Creole is a culture...NOT a race. There are black Creoles, white Creoles, etc. My grandmother is a Creole and she considers herself black.

Unfortunately, d/t to one-drop rule, anyone with even a hint of African blood was deemed African. I disagree with this as it is racist. It implies that white people are superior to all others and must therefore be preserved and pure.

I wish black people were as protective of African "purity" as everyone else. The only other ethnic group more accepting is Native American.
 
Old 12-29-2015, 11:24 PM
 
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The trend is toward demonizing whites and paying people to claim that they aren't white. America has elected a man president, twice, who is half white yet swears he is black. Why not encourage people to claime whiteness and expand the white tent rather than shrink it?
Let's be for real...would the Klan accept someone like the President as "white"? How about Halle Berry or Alicia Keys? Colin Powell? No?

It isn't "demonizing" white people to say that white people, historically, have been very exclusive. Why else was Frederick Douglass, a biracial man with a white father, enslaved?
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