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Old 09-12-2016, 02:48 AM
 
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For example, I certainly favor some restrictions on males and females being alone in a dorm room overnight.
This proposal isn't going to sell, and shouldn't. What students do on their own time, if it's legal, is a private matter. I'd prefer to reform higher education by exposing students to ideas - in class and out - that challenge their prior beliefs and get them to think.
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Old 09-12-2016, 03:56 AM
 
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This proposal isn't going to sell, and shouldn't. What students do on their own time, if it's legal, is a private matter. I'd prefer to reform higher education by exposing students to ideas - in class and out - that challenge their prior beliefs and get them to think.
What proposal, the University of Chicago's?
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:53 PM
 
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What proposal, the University of Chicago's?
No, that one is a great idea. (I am a U of C alumnus.)

The proposal that won't sell is to restrict college men and women from spending the night in each other's rooms.
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Old 09-13-2016, 12:39 AM
 
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No, that one is a great idea. (I am a U of C alumnus.)

The proposal that won't sell is to restrict college men and women from spending the night in each other's rooms.
You got that one right.
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Old 09-17-2016, 03:44 AM
 
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College is a joke. 1/2 of what you learn is a bunch of liberal crap and when you get out there are no jobs and you owe a mountain of debt.
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Old 09-17-2016, 07:12 AM
 
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College is a joke. 1/2 of what you learn is a bunch of liberal crap and when you get out there are no jobs and you owe a mountain of debt.
I am big on restarting the apprecenticeship systems. But convince business, law and other professions of that.

Great idea and I may start a thread on that tomorrow. Or later.
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Old 09-17-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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I am big on restarting the apprecenticeship systems. But convince business, law and other professions of that.

Great idea and I may start a thread on that tomorrow. Or later.
There is no argument from me that the professions like law and medicine should keep a requirement for bachelor's degrees. We can probably list career fields and professions that actually require graduate degrees, and those that require graduate degrees obviously require bachelor's degrees.

But I'd argue that nearly every job today that "requires" only a bachelor's degree...doesn't actuaLLY require one at all. I'd argue that all those jobs really require--at most--an Associates degree and/or technical certifications.
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Old 09-17-2016, 10:15 PM
 
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There is no argument from me that the professions like law and medicine should keep a requirement for bachelor's degrees. We can probably list career fields and professions that actually require graduate degrees, and those that require graduate degrees obviously require bachelor's degrees.

But I'd argue that nearly every job today that "requires" only a bachelor's degree...doesn't actuaLLY require one at all. I'd argue that all those jobs really require--at most--an Associates degree and/or technical certifications.
I am a lawyer, not a doctor. I vociferously support allowing apprenticeships for lawyers, even without a Bachelor's degree.
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Old 09-18-2016, 05:40 AM
 
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I am big on restarting the apprecenticeship systems. But convince business, law and other professions of that.

Great idea and I may start a thread on that tomorrow. Or later.
Internships are basically apprenticeships. Unfortunately, liberals have pushed to eliminate unpaid internships, which for decades served as low cost training programs to teach young people a profession. As usual, ideology defeated common sense, and now it's much more expensive to train entry levels.

The unintended consequence will be that young people will be locked out unless they pay to play, or have a relative in the firm, or can get their training abroad. Similarly, graduate students have recently been designated as employees, a fundamental transformation of a centuries old system of training future scholars.

Liberals are like locusts, rapaciously devouring everything in their path.
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Old 09-18-2016, 07:07 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk
There is no argument from me that the professions like law and medicine should keep a requirement for bachelor's degrees. We can probably list career fields and professions that actually require graduate degrees, and those that require graduate degrees obviously require bachelor's degrees.

But I'd argue that nearly every job today that "requires" only a bachelor's degree...doesn't actuaLLY require one at all. I'd argue that all those jobs really require--at most--an Associates degree and/or technical certifications.


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I am a lawyer, not a doctor. I vociferously support allowing apprenticeships for lawyers, even without a Bachelor's degree.
Well, if there is an argument from you, okay, then.
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