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Old 06-18-2017, 08:01 PM
 
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Or do the circumstances and other things matter? My apologies for the vague question, but I'm kind of thinking about it more on a conceptual level of good and evil, and if there is inherent value in assigning such labels to individuals because of actions they may carry out.

 
Old 06-18-2017, 08:27 PM
 
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I find it interesting that labels are used to describe someone who only committed a single despicable act as if it rules their whole life.

For example, men on the former show with Chris Hansen, To Catch A Predator. Now I think that having ex with anyone that isn't conesting is despicable and deserves serious legal ramifications but honestly...I don't think one act defines them.

People call those guys 'rapists', 'cowards' because they can only chat and have sex with 13yr old guys rather than calling the act itself cowardly or despicable.

You have a 35yr old IT expert who has worked with computers for a long time. He has 3 kids and a wife and is considered a good father and husband but because he touches a kid once....he's a 'rapist'. Now tell me why should 1 single act of a small percentage of someones life triumph over the good that they've done in their life?
 
Old 06-18-2017, 08:39 PM
 
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Try to convince the rape victim that the perp isn't "really" a bad person.
 
Old 06-18-2017, 09:51 PM
 
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What do you mean by "bad things?" Police officer who has to kill a bad guy to save an innocent? A soldier? If so, one who fought for freedom or a Nazi death camp guard?


Too vague to answer.
 
Old 06-18-2017, 11:55 PM
 
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I find it interesting that labels are used to describe someone who only committed a single despicable act as if it rules their whole life.

For example, men on the former show with Chris Hansen, To Catch A Predator. Now I think that having ex with anyone that isn't conesting is despicable and deserves serious legal ramifications but honestly...I don't think one act defines them.

People call those guys 'rapists', 'cowards' because they can only chat and have sex with 13yr old guys rather than calling the act itself cowardly or despicable.

You have a 35yr old IT expert who has worked with computers for a long time. He has 3 kids and a wife and is considered a good father and husband but because he touches a kid once....he's a 'rapist'. Now tell me why should 1 single act of a small percentage of someones life triumph over the good that they've done in their life?
What a frightening post. Are you sure this isn't some sort of confession? Have you considered the intellectual conflation here? The extreme moral relativism? How about taking this hypothetical logic through to fruition?
 
Old 06-19-2017, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I find it interesting that labels are used to describe someone who only committed a single despicable act as if it rules their whole life.

For example, men on the former show with Chris Hansen, To Catch A Predator. Now I think that having ex with anyone that isn't conesting is despicable and deserves serious legal ramifications but honestly...I don't think one act defines them.

People call those guys 'rapists', 'cowards' because they can only chat and have sex with 13yr old guys rather than calling the act itself cowardly or despicable.

You have a 35yr old IT expert who has worked with computers for a long time. He has 3 kids and a wife and is considered a good father and husband but because he touches a kid once....he's a 'rapist'. Now tell me why should 1 single act of a small percentage of someones life triumph over the good that they've done in their life?
I actually know a person who made a single mistake and paid for it for the rest of his life. We all have to try to not make bad choices always.
 
Old 06-19-2017, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I find it interesting that labels are used to describe someone who only committed a single despicable act as if it rules their whole life.

For example, men on the former show with Chris Hansen, To Catch A Predator. Now I think that having ex with anyone that isn't conesting is despicable and deserves serious legal ramifications but honestly...I don't think one act defines them.

People call those guys 'rapists', 'cowards' because they can only chat and have sex with 13yr old guys rather than calling the act itself cowardly or despicable.

You have a 35yr old IT expert who has worked with computers for a long time. He has 3 kids and a wife and is considered a good father and husband but because he touches a kid once....he's a 'rapist'. Now tell me why should 1 single act of a small percentage of someones life triumph over the good that they've done in their life?
This is different than just about anything else. People would forgive a murderer before a child molester. I think the only act that would be equal would be rape of the elderly. When the most vulnerable are the victim there is no way you can just gloss over the behavior.

I wonder why you mention " IT expert that worked with computers a long time." How does that have anything to do with what he did?
 
Old 06-19-2017, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Good Bad Evil ?

I think it all depends on the severity of the deed and more importantly how the person deals with it in the aftermath.
Many terrible acts can be justified with the simple phrase "he had it coming" or "I was just following orders"

A soldier in war kills people and may become a hero but remove the war and he is a murderer.

It is all about justification and the level of guilt the person feels when the smoke clears.
A person who feels nothing at the end of the day could be a monster or justified in his thinking.

I wonder if Bill Cosby considers himself a rapist?

We assign labels to people to describe their actions so we can understand ourselves better.
 
Old 06-19-2017, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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I actually know a person who made a single mistake and paid for it for the rest of his life. We all have to try to not make bad choices always.
It wasn't a mistake.
 
Old 06-19-2017, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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Or do the circumstances and other things matter? My apologies for the vague question, but I'm kind of thinking about it more on a conceptual level of good and evil, and if there is inherent value in assigning such labels to individuals because of actions they may carry out.
We are what we do and do.
EVil is as evil does.
Society assigns labels because those who are consumed by evil cannot be reformed, its proven.
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