A Tale of Two Persecutions & Discriminations Through History; Blacks and Jews
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One big difference is that for African-Americans the US was the source of the slavery/Jim crow apartheid, where as for Jews the US was an escape from European anti-semtism/pogroms. Jews largely view the US as a safe haven, whereas blacks have a more complicated relationship with the US.
Although Jews certainly have faced antisemitism and discrimination in the US, they had to big advantages over African-Americans.
1) many Jews arrived in the US poor, but had strong traditions of education/professional work in Europe. Unlike, African-Americans they didn't lag behind the dominant white Christian population on socio-economics. This allowed them to move into the middle/upper classes. This avoids divisive conflicts over income redistribution/affirmative action.
2) Jews are almost exclusively white, they were better able to blend in/assimilate with the dominant white Christian population. In this day and age, antisemitism is more of a fringe movement aimed Jews in the abstract, whereas anti-Black racism is still a very real day-to-day experience for many.
Actually, 20% of Jews in the U.S. are people of color.
Is it coincidence that Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell and the like have been derided as "acting white" as have black students who do their homework and respect their teachers?
I would think that all of the above would resent being used as pawns and totems in any such undeniably race-based appeal.
Wait, is this a "What 'the Blacks' are doing wrong" thread? What is the question? Is there a question? What are we suppose to debate here?
I don't think any people or group should be exempt from constructive criticism. All can do better.
In the case of Jews, in the mid-1800's there was a strong bias in the leadership towards assimilation. Probably too much of one. However, it served the Jews well in terms of incentivizing us to participate in American society. Where it went to far was in changing architecture in places of worship, dropping use of head coverings, and the virtual elimination of Hebrew from services. All of these steps were purportedly undertaken to please Gentile America. In point of fact Gentile America couldn't care less.
In the case of blacks there are meaningful organizations that can lead at least some people to healthier sexual and work habits. Again, it's not perfect, but the black people would do better as a whole without so much truancy, underage pregnancies and violent resolution of disputes (mostly black on black). And blacks should stop deriding blacks who "act white" or "talk white."
As far as what Jews still do wrong, financial scandals take the cake. However, people such as Boesky, Madoff, Dennis Levine and their ilk have served or are serving lengthy jail sentences. I hope though that more such fraudsters are outed by their peers before doing incalculable damage.
I don't think any people or group should be exempt from constructive criticism. All can do better.
In the case of Jews, in the mid-1800's there was a strong bias in the leadership towards assimilation. Probably too much of one. However, it served the Jews well in terms of incentivizing us to participate in American society. Where it went to far was in changing architecture in places of worship, dropping use of head coverings, and the virtual elimination of Hebrew from services. All of these steps were purportedly undertaken to please Gentile America. In point of fact Gentile America couldn't care less.
In the case of blacks there are meaningful organizations that can lead at least some people to healthier sexual and work habits. Again, it's not perfect, but the black people would do better as a whole without so much truancy, underage pregnancies and violent resolution of disputes (mostly black on black). And blacks should stop deriding blacks who "act white" or "talk white."
As far as what Jews still do wrong, financial scandals take the cake. However, people such as Boesky, Madoff, Dennis Levine and their ilk have served or are serving lengthy jail sentences. I hope though that more such fraudsters are outed by their peers before doing incalculable damage.
So, there is no question that leads to a great debate here? Is this more of a blog post?
No. The Great Debate is whether certain groups or more precisely their contribution-seeking leaders are wallowing in victimhood.
Who do consider the leaders of the black community? I hope that your answer will not be Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I find it odd when people say things that imply that entire races of people are somehow some unified group under specific leadership. Who is the leader of the white community or the Jewish community or the Hispanic community or or or...
Who do consider the leaders of the black community? I hope that your answer will not be Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I find it odd when people say things that imply that entire races of people are somehow some unified group under specific leadership. Who is the leader of the white community or the Jewish community or the Hispanic community or or or...
The demonstrations come from somewhere. The procured refusals to cooperate with the police come from somewhere. BLM comes from somewhere.
The demonstrations come from somewhere. The procured refusals to cooperate with the police come from somewhere. BLM comes from somewhere.
So does alt-right and antifa. I wouldn't say that they are considered the leaders of the "white community", would you? There are many radical Jewish terrorist groups...do you consider any of them to be your leaders?
Last edited by mpier015; 09-19-2017 at 01:12 PM..
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