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Old 03-16-2018, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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"For a justice system committed to treating like offenders alike, scaling fines to income is a matter of basic fairness. Making everyone pay the same sticker price is evenhanded on the surface, but only if you ignore the consequences of a fine on the life of the person paying. The flat fine threatens poor people with financial ruin while letting rich people break the law without meaningful repercussions. Equity requires punishment that is equally felt."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/o...pagewanted=all
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Old 03-16-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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So unemployed will be allowed to break all the traffic rules they want?
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Old 03-16-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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So unemployed will be allowed to break all the traffic rules they want?
Just like you'd have a max so Bill Gates wouldn't be fined a million dollars there could certainly be a minimum as well - such an easy fix there's no need to even mention it. Try to comment on the substance, not the frivolous.
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Old 03-16-2018, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Legal punishments are set (in theory at least) according to what society feels a particular crime is worth, without regard for the status of the offender. Thus, premeditated murder carries a sentence of life imprisonment while jaywalking carries a minor fine. And so, both a millionaire and a pauper should get a life sentence for premeditated murder and a minor fine for jaywalking.

Adjusting the punishment according to the financial capacity of the offender is, IMO, no different than adjusting the term of imprisonment based on how much being imprisoned would affect the offender. If you have two people who commit the same crime, should the one with family and friends who is a key player at his job and active in his community, and thus would have "everything to lose" by being confined, be jailed longer than the other who is a homeless bum with no friends and family, who wouldn't be seriously inconvenienced and may even benefit by being locked up?

Besides . . . the OP's idea does serious violence to the concept of "equal justice under law."
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Old 03-16-2018, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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They already are according to income in England & Wales.

Stricter punishments for speeding offences in England and Wales - BBC News

Speeding fines increase: here's what you need to know - The Telegraph

The UK's new speeding fines explained - Saga
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Legal punishments are set (in theory at least) according to what society feels a particular crime is worth, without regard for the status of the offender. Thus, premeditated murder carries a sentence of life imprisonment while jaywalking carries a minor fine. And so, both a millionaire and a pauper should get a life sentence for premeditated murder and a minor fine for jaywalking.

Adjusting the punishment according to the financial capacity of the offender is, IMO, no different than adjusting the term of imprisonment based on how much being imprisoned would affect the offender. If you have two people who commit the same crime, should the one with family and friends who is a key player at his job and active in his community, and thus would have "everything to lose" by being confined, be jailed longer than the other who is a homeless bum with no friends and family, who wouldn't be seriously inconvenienced and may even benefit by being locked up?

Besides . . . the OP's idea does serious violence to the concept of "equal justice under law."
Equal in terms of IMPACT - a $500 fine is nothing to someone making $250k a year...the fine is meant to be a deterrent. It is not the same level of deterrent if income is high compared to someone making $25k a year.

We aren't talking about crimes that receive sentences - only ones that result in fines. Certainly it doesn't make sense to go beyond minor offenses settled by fines alone - and the concept isn't meant to be applied in such cases.
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Equal in terms of IMPACT - a $500 fine is nothing to someone making $250k a year...the fine is meant to be a deterrent. It is not the same level of deterrent if income is high compared to someone making $25k a year.

We aren't talking about crimes that receive sentences - only ones that result in fines. Certainly it doesn't make sense to go beyond minor offenses settled by fines alone - and the concept isn't meant to be applied in such cases.
If you can't afford the fine, then don't do the crime.

If it would be up to me, a conviction of a crime would result in the total forfeiture of all assets.

Criminals should be funding the criminal justice system, not the tax-payers.
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Old 03-16-2018, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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"If you can't afford the fine, then don't do the crime." EXACTLY!

In my area we have loads of rich tourists coming in to town over the Summer and they will sometimes park their "beemers" in spots where they know they will get a ticket but paying it is cheaper then the hassle of going to get a proper beach parking permit. The towns have wised up to this so they increased the fines for illegal parking but I'm sure some still do it to get that premium spot.

Fines such as for speeding should not be scaled because every driver has a choice to obey the limit or take a risk to speed and possibly have to pay up.
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Old 03-16-2018, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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I agree that there's no need to worry about it if you're not breaking the law! I suggest osing one's license after 2 offenses.
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Old 03-16-2018, 03:50 PM
 
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Nope.
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