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Old 03-30-2020, 06:46 PM
 
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It isn't practical to do that. Some schools wouldn't have the staff to function, some people wouldn't self quarantine and some parents would send their kids to school sick anyway.
Schools use substitutes all the time and if someone at risk chooses not to self-quarantine, then it's on them. This is largely a theoretical exercise and it will be interesting to compare to Sweden -- a country that is keeping schools open and it doesn't appear to be impractical.
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Old 03-30-2020, 06:58 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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How about we take care of our own citizens instead of flexing our imaginary muscles around the world?

No one is calling us for help these days - certainly we haven't led the world in the face of this pandemic.
No one needs to call. In the case of Canada it is a fact that we are where we are. No one with evil intent even considers Canada.


Without a doubt America will be key in the development of the vaccine that will then be used around the world.
US developed Polio vaccine, the MMR vaccine for measlesm mumps and rubella, Ebola (by Merk), and many other that NeverTrumpers would rather not acknowledge.
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Old 03-30-2020, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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No one needs to call. In the case of Canada it is a fact that we are where we are. No one with evil intent even considers Canada.


Without a doubt America will be key in the development of the vaccine that will then be used around the world.
US developed Polio vaccine, the MMR vaccine for measlesm mumps and rubella, Ebola (by Merk), and many other that NeverTrumpers would rather not acknowledge.
Pesky old Capitalism....
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:00 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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America is exquisitely good at delivering top-end goods or services, be it in healthcare, science, consumer goods or whatever else. The place to perform complicated and risky procedures is right here. But America is woefully inept at delivering routine and basic services at low cost. An example would be basic dental care, immunizations, treating minor infections and so forth.............
Brrrrp! .. Fail. Those services are provided everywhere.
Many of them, particularly vaccinations, are provided at no cost.
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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No, that's not what the other poster asked. He asked what other developed nation doesn't have universal healthcare. Universal healthcare =/= Medicare For All. You keep trying to make him out to be a Burnie supporter, putting words in his mouth. I have no idea who his preferred Presidential candidate is or was, but Medicare For All is a cheapskate woefully inadequate plan, that many supporters of healthcare for all citizens and legal residents do not support. The topic is much more nuanced than waving a magic wand at the health care access issue, and proclaiming "Medicare For All" as the solution. You may be making erroneous assumptions about poster markg.
M4A=Universal Health Care. Garbage.

Also, Tomato tomahto.
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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It will all depend on the number of deaths and the damage to the economy. At this point, these two are unknowable. What bothers me is the secondary damage done to marriages, businesses, families. How many will commit suicide because of this or losing their jobs or their business or a spouse. The cost will never be calculated because it would make the decision makers look bad. All we'll here when this over is how many lives were saved?
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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It will all depend on the number of deaths and the damage to the economy. At this point, these two are unknowable. What bothers me is the secondary damage done to marriages, businesses, families. How many will commit suicide because of this or losing their jobs or their business or a spouse. The cost will never be calculated because it would make the decision makers look bad. All we'll here when this over is how many lives were saved?
9 people have killed themselves here in the past 48 hours.

It made the national news yesterday.
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Old 03-30-2020, 09:07 PM
 
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Well let’s look at the most likely scenario. Let’s say we just let it run its course. And every single American went about their business as usual. What would happen? We don’t know what the true death rate is because scientists are now thinking that as many as 40% of Americans have already dealt with this virus. Some say the actual death rate is 0.25%... but let’s say for arguments sake 1% of all infected will die from this. You would essentially be looking at about 1 million dead Americans. Most of which would be our elderly. Do you really think the economy would stay intact with that going on? Do you really think when every other set of everyone’s grandparents suddenly begins to get sick and pass away the people are going to go about their business as usual?

I’ve heard all the arguments about 50 to 60,000 Americans dying each year from the flu, but that’s a far cry from 1 million. And there’s still so much about this virus we don’t know. There’s reports people are catching it twice which is reminisce of the Spanish flu and how it killed so many people. If we had of let this run its course, we would have regretted it. And the economy still would’ve been deeply impacted..
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Old 03-30-2020, 09:23 PM
 
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It will all depend on the number of deaths and the damage to the economy. At this point, these two are unknowable. What bothers me is the secondary damage done to marriages, businesses, families. How many will commit suicide because of this or losing their jobs or their business or a spouse. The cost will never be calculated because it would make the decision makers look bad. All we'll here when this over is how many lives were saved?
So many posters don't want to answer this at all. They turn a blind eye to posters like yourself who raise how many more people will die from the secondary damage. They think of saving the vulnerable now but forget all the casualties that's going to occur because of the mass effort to save them. People need to see both sides.
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Old 03-30-2020, 09:37 PM
 
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Well let’s look at the most likely scenario. Let’s say we just let it run its course. And every single American went about their business as usual. What would happen? We don’t know what the true death rate is because scientists are now thinking that as many as 40% of Americans have already dealt with this virus. Some say the actual death rate is 0.25%... but let’s say for arguments sake 1% of all infected will die from this. You would essentially be looking at about 1 million dead Americans. Most of which would be our elderly. Do you really think the economy would stay intact with that going on? Do you really think when every other set of everyone’s grandparents suddenly begins to get sick and pass away the people are going to go about their business as usual?

I’ve heard all the arguments about 50 to 60,000 Americans dying each year from the flu, but that’s a far cry from 1 million. And there’s still so much about this virus we don’t know. There’s reports people are catching it twice which is reminisce of the Spanish flu and how it killed so many people. If we had of let this run its course, we would have regretted it. And the economy still would’ve been deeply impacted..
The US economy is DONE, there is NO possible way small or large businesses can survive being shut down, with NO TIMELINE to re open!! The global economy is what Im concerned about now and whether that will collapse or not, I dont think the US is salvageable at this point, (since there is still no timeline on when they can re open), not even a rough estimate!!


The US doesnt have enough money to bail everyone out either and I dont think many people would even approve of doing that, (because of what it would turn our economy into from that point on)
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