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We are transitioning to a socialism society right now as governments around the world prepare stimulus checks to citizens. The same way that many have said in the past of having a "basic income" for everyone. We still have people that need to work for society. But we have the means of technology to have a voluntary work force rather than society that live to work or work in order to survive.
This pandemic isn't the only problem, there will be future natural disasters like in the past of the great flood, mega storms, earthquake, or even a global climate change that may alter the climate of the world. We need to move away from a capitalistic society and move into an altruistic society where everyone work on the betterment of the society and evolution. The goal is that we need to one day colonize another planet or space. This planet one day will become uninhabitable for life. The earth at any point in time can become completely uninhabitable and wipe out all lifeform and our specie will be extinct if we don't work on evolving our specie to the next level of intelligent beings.
Want to know why aliens don't communicate with us even though they do exist? Because if you look at our specie from a holistic sense we are no different than what viruses do. We reproduce, kill one another, and use up natural resources without giving anything back to earth. That's what viruses do, we are no better.
A worthy goal, but expect to go through versions of "Blade Runner" and "Soylent Green" before we get there.
I fought against communism/socialism before, in the US Army where I learned to raise, organize and train fighting forces, and I'd do it again if need be. I swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and it still holds...and there are hundreds of thousands more just like me...
Thank heaven The Burn got spurned! The Burn is now toast.
No one is “overblowing” covid-19. This is a national emergency.
You're wrong. It is way overblown. The flu is much more deadly to Americans, or at least it has been so far. But there is no constant flu death count on television nor are there lockdown orders for the flu. The media and the anti Trump crowd have seized COVID-19 as the new impeachment/Russia/Stormy/whatever bandwagon and are pushing it for all it is worth. Influenza is a far greater risk to life than COVID-19, but is common and has no fear factor.
Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 1,216,422 cases worldwide; 312,245 cases in the U.S. as of Apr. 5, 2020.*
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.
Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 65,711 deaths reported worldwide; 8,503 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 5, 2020.*
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
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Originally Posted by silibran
I suppose the Dems are responsible for the fatalities? Are they responsible for the lack of foresight on the part of the White House to prepare for the emergence of severe illness on a massive scale?
The fatalities? No. But the fear mongering to the point people are giving up their own freedoms and losing their jobs? You bet they are. And, they are loving it. Anything to beat Trump is their motto, and that includes destroying the nation. They live by the motto; Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven. The hoax isn't the virus, and Trump never said it was. He said, and it is, the way the virus fear has been pushed.
The left has made the virus into more than it is. They know it, but don't care. They just want back those days when obama's words were, "the law of the land".
........Socialism only appeals to two types of people. The ones that see themselves on top stealing and those who have nothing to steal and see themselves getting something for nothing.
You're wrong. It is way overblown. The flu is much more deadly to Americans, or at least it has been so far. But there is no constant flu death count on television nor are there lockdown orders for the flu. The media and the anti Trump crowd have seized COVID-19 as the new impeachment/Russia/Stormy/whatever bandwagon and are pushing it for all it is worth. Influenza is a far greater risk to life than COVID-19, but is common and has no fear factor.
Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 1,216,422 cases worldwide; 312,245 cases in the U.S. as of Apr. 5, 2020.*
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.
Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 65,711 deaths reported worldwide; 8,503 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 5, 2020.*
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
The fatalities? No. But the fear mongering to the point people are giving up their own freedoms and losing their jobs? You bet they are. And, they are loving it. Anything to beat Trump is their motto, and that includes destroying the nation. They live by the motto; Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven. The hoax isn't the virus, and Trump never said it was. He said, and it is, the way the virus fear has been pushed.
The left has made the virus into more than it is. They know it, but don't care. They just want back those days when obama's words were, "the law of the land".
No, you are mistaken. This is not a political issue. I voted for trump and have been satisfied with his performance thus far, though I wish he would keep his fingers off the tweeter and pay more attention to his advisors who have more experience in their respective fields of expertise.
This thing has a substantially higher mortality rate than the 'common' flu, plus, it spreads much faster as it is contagious even before victims begin showing symptoms and are aware that they are sick. Without drastic measures, the health care systems would be overwhelmed and the death rate would be orders of magnitude higher.
There is no 'cure', there is no vaccine. The only, and best course of action [currently], is to make every possible attempt to slow the rate of infection to minimize the burden on the health care facilities and thereby minimize the death rate.
It is likely that a substantial percentage of the world population will be infected before an effective vaccine is found, many will die. Many more would die, however, if it were allowed to spread unchecked. Death rates will probably be higher in areas where health care and emergency services availability is more limited.
I have little love for the [apparent] policies of the current crop of 'democrats', and especially not for those openly espousing various versions of socialism...but I do not care to tread blindly down the path of death in spite of that.
We're part socialism. Roads, infrastructure, and many other services (e.g. fire, police, military, teachers), are government run.
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Originally Posted by purehuman
a socialism society is a failing society..
Who are these volunteers that would work hard for the benefit of the ones who don't?
We already have that under capitalism. People actually want to be teachers, cops, firefighters, medical profession, when those jobs are often thankless.
True on those people. You know who doesn't, though? Skilled trades, like carpenters, welders, roofers, electricians. Technical fields like engineers, IT, physicists. Surgeons and doctors of all types. Auto-Mechanics. Anyone in the entertainment industry. Production workers in Automotive plants...
Ya see where this is going?
Teachers, cops and firefighters are generally underpaid. Everybody knows that. No one considers it the start of socialism, but instead of weak spot of capitalism. But they're a tiny - tiny - group of our population. None of those other fields are likely to be full of "volunteers."
Viruses don't reproduce.
They aren't 'alive' in the standard biological sense.
So they can't kill each other.
And what does 'giving back to earth' even mean, to them or anyone else for that matter?
Nature is neither good or evil; it just IS.
And my idea of a better evolution for society is guaranteed to be different than yours.
So there's that little problem.
This factually incorrect. Viruses do reproduce in fact that is their #1 goal just like humans we are very similar to viruses. We reproduce and consume. Viruses do not self-reproduce they use living organisms to help them reproduce. They are not living by scientific definitions but they have a purpose and means to survive just like humans. In a sense they are like living organisms just doesn't fit the definition.
Giving back to the earth means preserving the equilibrium of the earth so the earth does not have to respond in its violent ways.
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Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound
Socialism is the last gasp of a society. The OP might be right. We could end up with billions of people with their hands out, scared, huddled in their dwellings afraid to go outside. Waiting for their "govment" rations to be left outside their door. Watching TV and browsing online with their leaders telling them, don't worry a few more weeks and we will be back to normal. Meanwhile years pass.
I know most people are gonna take this thread as another political soapbox message but my main point is that this pandemic is an example of disruptions that can happen at a global scale. This virus isn't even that deadly. We have the technology to remedy this problem within 24 months back to normal. However, the next pandemic or global catastrophe could happen any time any day and we have no plans and no preparations for those. There has been many cases of ancient civilization wiped out by pandemics, plagues, natural disasters, war, etc. Our current political and economic system right now have no configuration for survival under major global catastrophes.
There are more people worrying about paying bills than their health.
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This pandemic isn't the only problem, there will be future natural disasters like in the past of the great flood, mega storms, earthquake, or even a global climate change that may alter the climate of the world. We need to move away from a capitalistic society and move into an altruistic society where everyone work on the betterment of the society and evolution. The goal is that we need to one day colonize another planet or space. This planet one day will become uninhabitable for life. The earth at any point in time can become completely uninhabitable and wipe out all lifeform and our specie will be extinct if we don't work on evolving our specie to the next level of intelligent beings.
Want to know why aliens don't communicate with us even though they do exist? Because if you look at our specie from a holistic sense we are no different than what viruses do. We reproduce, kill one another, and use up natural resources without giving anything back to earth. That's what viruses do, we are no better.
Surely you know of this funny guy from NYC.
George Carlin; regarding people who worry about everything. What He Said
"Saving endangered species - an arrogant attempt at mankind trying to control nature. Don't interfere with nature. 25 species are gone everyday without us.
90% of species that lived on this planet are extinct. We didn't kill them all. Nature does that without us.
On saving the planet - we can't even take care of ourselves yet. We don't even get along We are very divisive and we're going to save the f'n planet.
The planet is fine, it's the people that are f..kd.
The planet has been here for 4.5 billion years. Man has been here for 100-200k years
Could we really be a threat to our large blue green ball?
It's been through huge earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sunspots, electro-magnetic storms, the reversal of the poles, hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids, world-wide floods, tidal waves, huge wildfires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages, and we think some plastic bags are going to make a difference?
The planet isn't going anywhere. We are (as in another extinct species)
We'll be just another failed mutation. To the planet it'll shake us off like a little flea. (dog shaking it's rear sound effect). A surface nuisance.
The planet will heal itself and cleanse itself."
That was back in 1995. The man was a comedic genius.
I know a bit about our marine ecoystem (extremely important) being destroyed by oil rigs, spills, illegal fishing, shark & whale hunting and pollution.
oceans are 70% of the planet. We should at least keep 70% of the planet healthy if we're messing up 10% of the land masses (USA, China, Brazil's rainforest).
Not sure about terraforming another planet. We may just die and be reborn into another dimension/time somewhere better. perhaps heaven.
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