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a socialism society is a failing society..
Who are these volunteers that would work hard for the benefit of the ones who don't?
just curious as to what you thought was the underlying cause of the latest US recession-depression? Was it a kind of anomalous capitalistic spasm-contraction, or was it a manifestation of an integral facet of capitalism?
Or even, an outright financial fraud? In that debacle we saw a credit crash that brought down the house. But the credit expansion was fueled by the same guys who were the Titans of the market economy, on their knees to the taxpayer, begging for, and often demanding, our aid. That's as socialistic as it gets.
And, it follows that one would wonder if the construct of credit itself is solely a capitalistic or socialistic creation. In a purely capitalistic economy of 2008 we would have sunk to an unimaginable level of ruination, but the socialistic side of America kicked in and saved capitalism---Once again..Roosevelt did the same thing and today's Troglodyte community hates the guy so bad they convulse at the mere mention of his name. I think most will agree that no one system fits all, so a hybrid of socialism and capitalism seems to be the order of the day..
Capitalism fits the human consciousness norms. Highly individualistic, self centered, a tad bit greedy, so it fits that a large part our society is accepting of an economic system which isn't inclusive of the totality of it's citizens. But, I'm always thankful for those who haven't followed those human norms of self interest, their lives seem to be lived in accordance with a more sharing nature, and a far more caring consciousness.
I think these are the people who will build a better economy, a better society, and hopefully, ultimately, a better world. Bureaucrats are supposed to be serving us, but we know that isn't always the case, and it seems like they only listen when we speak in a loud unified rebuttal of their doings..Government in the US is modeled on the idea that the citizens run things and the congress supposedly acts in that capacity
From the Urban institute:
"The government we deserve is not necessarily bigger or smaller, more conservative or more liberal than the one we have today. Rather, it is one we can use to make choices that will meet our current and foreseeable needs, one that gives us a justifiable sense of ownership over public policy decisions."
We are transitioning to a socialism society right now as governments around the world prepare stimulus checks to citizens. The same way that many have said in the past of having a "basic income" for everyone. We still have people that need to work for society. But we have the means of technology to have a voluntary work force rather than society that live to work or work in order to survive.
This pandemic isn't the only problem, there will be future natural disasters like in the past of the great flood, mega storms, earthquake, or even a global climate change that may alter the climate of the world. We need to move away from a capitalistic society and move into an altruistic society where everyone work on the betterment of the society and evolution. The goal is that we need to one day colonize another planet or space. This planet one day will become uninhabitable for life. The earth at any point in time can become completely uninhabitable and wipe out all lifeform and our specie will be extinct if we don't work on evolving our specie to the next level of intelligent beings.
Want to know why aliens don't communicate with us even though they do exist? Because if you look at our specie from a holistic sense we are no different than what viruses do. We reproduce, kill one another, and use up natural resources without giving anything back to earth. That's what viruses do, we are no better.
Most people replying here are not rich. Just by the force of habit thier finger types what thier brain stored withput even thinking or reading your post. And most of them old republicans i guess.
Capitalism is never going anywhere as long as there are poo people needing money and work. You constantly have a pool of underclass with bare minimum and they are desperate for money. See for examplehow many people are risking disease to escape hunger and debt - those cashiers, nurses, drivers and grocers.
For once i agree with you. H1b is also that underclass that got created.
You guys are missing a key point. That is, sometimes everyone acting in individual interest is worse for all. Whereas acting collectively benefits all.
See: prisoner's dilemma
Collectivism will always be an aspect of our society. Evolution made us social animals for a very good reason. Debates about socialism are always come down to government corruption vs idealized socialism. And apples are bad because they rot too easily, and one bad one spoils the whole bunch, right?
Yep and 56% income tax.
They are steadily lowering taxes and reducing the welfare state.
There is no minimum wage.
Social security retirement is being privatized.
The means of production are not owned by the gvmnt, its capitalist.
Agreed. Bernie supporters need to stop claiming that the Nordic countries are socialist.
We are transitioning to a socialism society right now as governments around the world prepare stimulus checks to citizens. The same way that many have said in the past of having a "basic income" for everyone. We still have people that need to work for society. But we have the means of technology to have a voluntary work force rather than society that live to work or work in order to survive.
This pandemic isn't the only problem, there will be future natural disasters like in the past of the great flood, mega storms, earthquake, or even a global climate change that may alter the climate of the world. We need to move away from a capitalistic society and move into an altruistic society where everyone work on the betterment of the society and evolution.
Full stop. I don't want to get into inter-spacial societies but do want to respond to the gist of the thread. It is painfully obvious that some want to perpetuate the Covid-19 crises for their own reasons.
In Continental Europe the rule of thumb, socially and governmentally, is that whatever is not expressly permitted is forbidden or at least questionable. In the English-speaking countries it's the opposite; it's permitted unless forbidden. The significance of this difference, even in the democratic countries of Europe is astounding.
I am personally a liberal Democrat. Many of my fellow liberals want us to work our way to a "forbidden if not permitted" model. They feel that there's too much liberty, which they consider to be license. Th e list of "essential activities", if they have their way, will, quite true, be expanded but i what you want to do doesn't appear on some list, be very careful.. The discovery of the usefulness of the hydroxychloroquine as an effective treatment threatens to short-circuit what they hope is a social revolution, similar to the way that Reagan's election short-circuited such "one world" efforts as the Law of the Sea treaty and Trump's election shorted circuited the Paris Accords and all kinds of similar "one-world" initiatives. And Brexit, in another English-speaking country is "Exhibit 'B'." That may explain some of the intensity of Trump-hatred.
But back to the subject; the rapid resolution of the Covid-19 crises spoils the move to socialism from capitalism.
a socialism society is a failing society..
Who are these volunteers that would work hard for the benefit of the ones who don't?
Under Socialism (TM) everyone has a job. Full employment was required. Everyone got paid the same pittance. Whether or not any actual work got done was another matter. Under Socialism (TM) the workers had a slogan: "The government pretends to pay us, so we pretend to work." Everyone contributed to the Glory of the Motherland. And ultimately...to its failure.
a socialism society is a failing society..
Who are these volunteers that would work hard for the benefit of the ones who don't?
It's human nature to work to benefit OURSELVES, first and foremost. Then when we (ourselves) are taken care of, then we help others but only if we WANT to.
Agreed. Bernie supporters need to stop claiming that the Nordic countries are socialist.
Bernie himself needs to stop claiming that. I read that the King of Denmark told him that, point blank!
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